Exiled_Rover Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 13 hours ago, Mattyblue said: So a striker with a 6 goals in 60 appearances (but did head a ball five yards to a teammate once too) gets a ‘thanks for the memories’ send off … seems about right for this regime. Assuming in those 60 appearances we're counting all the times he was brought on for 5 minutes by Ismael? 2 Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 2 hours ago, KentExile said: Just saw on Sky Sports that Bournemouth have had a bid for Toth of £7M rejected I nearly had a heart attack before realising it was a different Toth I was going to say - Gestede would drive Toth down to Bournemouth himself for £7m. 2 Quote
Ricceh Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 43 minutes ago, KentExile said: Just saw on Sky Sports that Bournemouth have had a bid for Toth of £7M rejected I nearly had a heart attack before realising it was a different Toth This surprises me, Alex Tóth isn't that great in my opinion but what do I know. Quote
KentExile Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said: A £7m bid certainly wouldn't have been rejected here! Just now, Exiled_Rover said: I was going to say - Gestede would drive Toth down to Bournemouth himself for £7m. Yep, that's why I had to check again 🙂 Quote
Mattyblue Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago Regardless of if folk think he got a fair shake with VI or not, the end result is the same, he did feck all, so the fact his minimal contribution gets a ‘memorable moments’ sign off sums up the standards down there. Quote
TheKitGuy Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago Just now, Exiled_Rover said: Assuming in those 60 appearances we're counting all the times he was brought on for 5 minutes by Ismael? I'm not going to get into it - but: Gueye was unfairly treated for the last 9 months of his time here. he played 187 minutes this season and people are saying he hasn't scored enough goals. Ohashi has played 1993 minutes and scored 6 goals meaning he scores 1 every 332 minutes. Andri Gudjohnsen has played 1227 minutes scoring 7 goals putting him at 1 every 205 minutes. easy to point fingers but in theory and with this data driven approach all of our strike force are garbage. 5 1 Quote
Exiled_Rover Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 18 minutes ago, Mattyblue said: Regardless of if folk think he got a fair shake with VI or not, the end result is the same, he did feck all, so the fact his minimal contribution gets a ‘memorable moments’ sign off sums up the standards down there. Curiously he seems to have popped in to say goodbye to that Player Liaison lady who was fired before she flew off to Dubai. Anyone that took her side was shuffled out the door. 3 Quote
Torgeir Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said: Curiously he seems to have popped in to say goodbye to that Player Liaison lady who was fired before she flew off to Dubai. Anyone that took her side was shuffled out the door. Yeah, I'm sure that's why he left and not for footballing reasons. Marvelous player. Quote
Comfortably numb Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 16 minutes ago, TheKitGuy said: I'm not going to get into it - but: Gueye was unfairly treated for the last 9 months of his time here. he played 187 minutes this season and people are saying he hasn't scored enough goals. Ohashi has played 1993 minutes and scored 6 goals meaning he scores 1 every 332 minutes. Andri Gudjohnsen has played 1227 minutes scoring 7 goals putting him at 1 every 205 minutes. easy to point fingers but in theory and with this data driven approach all of our strike force are garbage. Unless I'm mistaken, 1 goal every 205 mins equates to a goal in just over 2 games which is hardly garbage, in fact it's excellent.. I would be delighted if any new striker(s) have a similar goal rate 1 Quote
KentExile Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago (edited) 45 minutes ago, TheKitGuy said: I'm not going to get into it - but: Gueye was unfairly treated for the last 9 months of his time here. he played 187 minutes this season and people are saying he hasn't scored enough goals. Ohashi has played 1993 minutes and scored 6 goals meaning he scores 1 every 332 minutes. Andri Gudjohnsen has played 1227 minutes scoring 7 goals putting him at 1 every 205 minutes. easy to point fingers but in theory and with this data driven approach all of our strike force are garbage. 22 minutes ago, Comfortably numb said: Unless I'm mistaken, 1 goal every 205 mins equates to a goal in just over 2 games which is hardly garbage, in fact it's excellent.. I would be delighted if any new striker(s) have a similar goal rate I think the main point being made was that Gueye had not played that many minutes this season. If he was still here, and one had gone in off his arse in his next 5 minute appearance, he would have a better strike rate than Gudjohnsen this season in terms of goals per minute (I am not claiming this makes Gueye any better than he is, but purely looking at the stats/and throwing in a hypothetical) But yes, Gudjohnsen strike rate is excellent Edited 1 hour ago by KentExile 1 1 Quote
CaptainBeanfart Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 26 minutes ago, TheKitGuy said: I'm not going to get into it - but: Gueye was unfairly treated for the last 9 months of his time here. he played 187 minutes this season and people are saying he hasn't scored enough goals. Were goals the main complaint? It was his inability to look like a professional footballer that bothered most. That recent social media challenge was really telling. Cantwell said something like "I bet you £100 he misses" when it was Gueye's turn. Even his teammates didn't think he could kick a ball like a professional. 1 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago He's simply being judged on the fact he plundered a few goals which is of course what you want from strikers but..... He did literally fook all else even before this seasons downing of tools which is unforgivable in itself. IF he was a workhorse striker putting himself about across the front line and could actually control a ball he'd have been involved a lot more. You can forgive someone missing easy chances as he frequently did if they keep grafting and getting themselves into position but he threw in the towel way before any of this so called didn't get a fair crack etc. Try and recount the actual good games he had or effective cameos throwing the big lad on up top ? There are hardly any, time to face up to it despite being a nice lad and bonding with fans he just wasn't up to Championship standard football. That's why he's now in China and not on loan to Oxford or someone, he did very little to justify his wages. Not the first certainly won't be the last be the last but it was a poor signing and they've got out of jail getting a few quid back. Move on. Quote
rovers11 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago VI: The idea is to bring in two or three players (before the FA Cup game) Why even make such a ludicrous statement when he and the entire fanbase knew that simply wouldn't happen with these owners. I'd hazard a very strong guess that we are no closer now to bringing in attacking reinforcements than we were on Jan 1st. Anyone who is unsure about boycotting the Watford game surely has to ask themselves one question: can I stomach watching Henriksson in yet another game up top?! He may come good at some point but the guy is clearly out of his depth right now. Nowhere near the level required. 4 Quote
Browjd Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago We are nearly half way through Jan...what are the recruitment team doing?! 2 Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 11 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said: He's simply being judged on the fact he plundered a few goals which is of course what you want from strikers but..... He did literally fook all else even before this seasons downing of tools which is unforgivable in itself. IF he was a workhorse striker putting himself about across the front line and could actually control a ball he'd have been involved a lot more. You can forgive someone missing easy chances as he frequently did if they keep grafting and getting themselves into position but he threw in the towel way before any of this so called didn't get a fair crack etc. Try and recount the actual good games he had or effective cameos throwing the big lad on up top ? There are hardly any, time to face up to it despite being a nice lad and bonding with fans he just wasn't up to Championship standard football. That's why he's now in China and not on loan to Oxford or someone, he did very little to justify his wages. Not the first certainly won't be the last be the last but it was a poor signing and they've got out of jail getting a few quid back. Move on. Tbf you said yesterday you wouldn’t continue on about it but yet here we are…. Quote
MarkBRFC Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, Browjd said: We are nearly half way through Jan...what are the recruitment team doing?! I don't really doubt that the recruitment team are doing all they can. Those above them however, those are the ones nobody should have any confidence in. 4 Quote
islander200 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 56 minutes ago, TheKitGuy said: I'm not going to get into it - but: Gueye was unfairly treated for the last 9 months of his time here. he played 187 minutes this season and people are saying he hasn't scored enough goals. Ohashi has played 1993 minutes and scored 6 goals meaning he scores 1 every 332 minutes. Andri Gudjohnsen has played 1227 minutes scoring 7 goals putting him at 1 every 205 minutes. easy to point fingers but in theory and with this data driven approach all of our strike force are garbage. When Gueye did get on the field this season what did he do to change the managers mind? Caught offside multiple times and throwing his arms in the air moaning at teammates. Granted his opportunities were limited but he showed absolutely nothing to warrant more minutes 1 1 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 7 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: Tbf you said yesterday you wouldn’t continue on about it but yet here we are…. I felt it needed a closing statement. Quote
bluebruce Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 4 hours ago, wilsdenrover said: Any half decent owners would want to strengthen the team and sort out the pitch. Especially since they're billionaires and pitch spend is exempt from FFP. Crazy that some fans don't see the failure to invest in the pitch, stadium and womens team is the ultimate proof they're not just hamstrung by FFP but actively don't want to invest. 3 1 Quote
bluebruce Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 16 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: Tbf you said yesterday you wouldn’t continue on about it but yet here we are…. Tbf, he said he wouldn't continue with his ludicrous argument that Gueye was worse than Brown and Varney. Which he did then continue with a bit after saying that but hey. I was bored of the repetitiveness of it, and he's welcome to his opinion, so I stopped replying and he seemed to stop talking about it too. The post today is, as far as I can see, just an argument that Gueye isn't a very good striker. Which hardly anybody disagrees with and is very different to basically saying he's the worst striker to ever pull on a shirt for an extended period. So he isn't still continuing a day later in fairness. Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 15 minutes ago, bluebruce said: Tbf, he said he wouldn't continue with his ludicrous argument that Gueye was worse than Brown and Varney. Which he did then continue with a bit after saying that but hey. I was bored of the repetitiveness of it, and he's welcome to his opinion, so I stopped replying and he seemed to stop talking about it too. The post today is, as far as I can see, just an argument that Gueye isn't a very good striker. Which hardly anybody disagrees with and is very different to basically saying he's the worst striker to ever pull on a shirt for an extended period. So he isn't still continuing a day later in fairness. And yet he has replied stating he has an just wanted a closing statement on it 1 Quote
Torgeir Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 40 minutes ago, rovers11 said: VI: The idea is to bring in two or three players (before the FA Cup game) Why even make such a ludicrous statement when he and the entire fanbase knew that simply wouldn't happen with these owners. I'd hazard a very strong guess that we are no closer now to bringing in attacking reinforcements than we were on Jan 1st. Anyone who is unsure about boycotting the Watford game surely has to ask themselves one question: can I stomach watching Henriksson in yet another game up top?! He may come good at some point but the guy is clearly out of his depth right now. Nowhere near the level required. Henriksson looked a lot less worse in the pocket than up top. I don't understand why we don't switch the formation when we don't have the players to play 3-5-2. 2 Quote
Kjell Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Who cares about Gueye when we have snakes crawling all over our club? Gueye > Gestede. 1 Quote
bluebruce Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 3 hours ago, KentExile said: Just saw on Sky Sports that Bournemouth have had a bid for Toth of £7M rejected I nearly had a heart attack before realising it was a different Toth 8.6 million including add ons. Seems a lot for a lad from the Hungarian league, must have something about him. European football will help him catch the eye. 20 years old with 9 Hungarian caps already suggests he does warrant a higher fee than our own Toth, who Rudy would probably take about 2.5 million for but I wouldn't even consider it without a quality replacement in the building. Edited 1 hour ago by bluebruce 1 Quote
MarkBRFC Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 3 minutes ago, bluebruce said: 8.6 million including add ons. Seems a lot for a lad from the Hungarian league, must have something about him. European football will help him catch the eye. 20 years old with 9 Hungarian caps already suggests he does warrant a higher fee than our own Toth, who Rudy would probably take about 2.5 million for but I wouldn't even consider it without a quality replacement in the building. You, and any sane person wouldn't. This club would though, in an absolute heartbeat. 2 Quote
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