TheKitGuy Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 minute ago, pick32 said: Toth will be a prem keeper I've a feeling he will be at a big German club before long. Perhaps a Raya style transfer Rovers > bottom 8 prem team > top 4 foreign team. 5 Quote
KentExile Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago Just now, TheKitGuy said: I've a feeling he will be at a big German club before long. Perhaps a Raya style transfer Rovers > bottom 8 prem team > top 4 foreign team. A few years ago he was being looked at by Bayern as a second/third choice if I recall 1 Quote
bluebruce Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 4 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: Not going to argue with anyone who says he's better than Pears and he's improved since he first arrived but imo he's not that good no. "Shit" is your term looking for confrontation not mine. I put the word in your mouth, but when you say some random from Bristol City wouldn't have to be very good to be an upgrade on Toth, it suggests a very low opinion of him, one I can't imagine is shared by more than a handful of fans across the whole fanbase. I wasn't looking for confrontation, I'm just stunned you don't think he is at least a steady, dependable keeper at this level. Tbh I think you tend to form your judgements on players early and not let them go when they improve or settle in. I suspect your opinion of Toth is based 90% on him being a bit wobbly at first when he came in last season. Since we got relegated, Toth is the most dependable keeper we've had bar Kaminski, and we've tried quite a few. Obviously Raya was the most gifted, but a bit prone to errors (still really liked him overall at the time, but I can't say he was consistently dependable to the same degree as the other two). This O'Leary would have to be a very good keeper at Championship level to improve on Toth. Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 23 minutes ago, KentExile said: Toth will be sold by the summer They have already tried to shunt Pears out of the door, they may succeed in the near future. He hasn't been disastrous for us this season, so he may have done enough to earn himself an escape That would leave us with an 18 year old Michalski., so a cheap/free player would probably suit Rudy/Pasha perfectly From what I have seen, O'Leary is inferior to Toth, & a similar standard to Pears. On the bright side, he is better than Ethan Horvath, who I hypothesised earlier, that he may be on the shopping list On either the loans or the Academy thread thought I read we had 1) Toth 2) Pears 3)Michaelowski 4) Goddard 5) Jack Barrett 6) A lad called Khan? (May have the name wrong but no-one seemed to rate him) plus maybe even one other? Apologies if Im wrong. Edited 3 hours ago by RevidgeBlue Quote
pick32 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago Rangers wanting Dan Neil on loan but his contracts up in the summer, would be a great Tronstad replacement and captain, if we had ambition Quote
TheKitGuy Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 minute ago, KentExile said: A few years ago he was being looked at by Bayern as a second/third choice if I recall He was on their radar but nothing happened. I imagine he will be back on their radar if he continues as he is. Although being 28 he has time. 1 Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 16 minutes ago, Old Codger said: Seriously? Toth is an excellent keeper at this level, and a full international with good experience too. He is also on the ascendancy in his career, unlike Pears who seems to be flatlining. That's why someone will get good money for him (notice I didn't say 'the club', as we know any funds incoming are mysteriously trousered and have no relationship to funds allocated for purchases). How much do you think Toth would fetch if sold then? Edit: Not the most reliable guide I know but Ai and Transfer Market have his estimated value at £700 k. Id say that's a bit low but I wouldnt pay silly money for him. Edited 3 hours ago by RevidgeBlue Quote
MarkBRFC Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago O'Leary is a fairly steady keeper at this level I think, ever present in the last two seasons for a side that finished 11th & 6th. Been injured a while then spent a bit of time on the bench, but has got himself back in the side playing there last 5 games. There will be nothing in this one I'm sure. 1 Quote
KentExile Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 6 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: On either the loans or the Academy thread thought I read we had 1) Toth 2) Pears 3)Michaelowski 4) Goddard 5) Jack Barrett 6) A lad called Khan? (May have the name wrong but no-one seemed to rate him) plus maybe even one other? Apologies if Im wrong. All of those, and a few more Honor in the U21s Wolsoncroft, Thompson, Holt in the U18s O'Leary is 29, he isn't being brought in as an academy player, most of those will be leaving within a year or 3 without making a dent in our first team Edited 3 hours ago by KentExile Quote
TheKitGuy Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 7 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: How much do you think Toth would fetch if sold then? Edit: Not the most reliable guide I know but Ai and Transfer Market have his estimated value at £700 k. Id say that's a bit low but I wouldnt pay silly money for him. Realistically - Given he's a championship starter and rotational for Hungary I'd estimate between 3 and 4.5 plus a 10-20% sell on. 2 Quote
Mercer Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 4 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: How much do you think Toth would fetch if sold then? £5m+ I think you have it wrong with Toth. After an unconvincing start, looks the business, produced some outstanding saves and is now a full international. 3 Quote
TheKitGuy Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 5 minutes ago, KentExile said: All of those, and a few more Honor in the U21s Wolsoncroft, Thompson, Holt in the U18s O'Leary is 29, he isn't being brought in as an academy player, most of those will be leaving within a year or 3 without making a dent in our first team Hopefully not Khan either. Utter dross. 1 1 Quote
KentExile Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 minute ago, TheKitGuy said: Hopefully not Khan either. Utter dross. agreed, he is terrible Quote
KentExile Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 9 minutes ago, Mercer said: £5m+ I think you have it wrong with Toth. After an unconvincing start, looks the business, produced some outstanding saves and is now a full international. At a normal club which had given him a contract extension on what he was worth and had him tied down for 3+ years, maybe somewhere in the £4M- £5M range Probably not in the summer with a year left on his contract and a known distressed seller, we are probably looking at circa £3M (similar level to what they managed for Brittain, Travis etc) Edited 3 hours ago by KentExile 2 Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 minute ago, Mercer said: £5m+ I think you have it wrong with Toth. After an unconvincing start, looks the business, produced some outstanding saves and is now a full international. I respect your opinion but for £5m + Id be starting the car now. Maybe even £3m - £4m. I can't see even our lot selling Toth AND Pears. Hopefully we manage to offload Pears for around £1m and can bring in either a capable deputy or a young prospect whose career is on the upgrade. Quote
islander200 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 3 minutes ago, KentExile said: At a normal club which had given him a contract extension on what he was worth, absolutely Probably not in the summer with a year left on his contract and a known distressed seller Do we definitely not have a years option with Toth? Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 14 minutes ago, KentExile said: All of those, and a few more Honor in the U21s Wolsoncroft, Thompson, Holt in the U18s O'Leary is 29, he isn't being brought in as an academy player, most of those will be leaving within a year or 3 without making a dent in our first team Do we need all these keepers at different levels? (Genuine question as I dont know) Quote
MarkBRFC Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 2 minutes ago, islander200 said: Do we definitely not have a years option with Toth? It wasn't reported when we signed him. But neither was Hyam's and we had one on him. 1 Quote
KentExile Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 17 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: Do we need all these keepers at different levels? (Genuine question as I dont know) I would class Kahn & Barrett as superfluous, neither should have been given new contracts Goddard & Honor are injured Each scholarship year group tend to have one or 2, Wolsoncroft & Thompson were last season, Holt came through in this years group. Next year will probably be Krajewski & Garside. That's not an issue at U18 level, but they do seem to be frightened of cutting them loose at U21 level, maybe in part as keepers tend to develop later than outfield players Edited 2 hours ago by KentExile 1 Quote
bluebruce Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 4 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: Do we need all these keepers at different levels? (Genuine question as I dont know) No. We are just ridiculous at accumulating keepers. Just not at keeping the good ones. Well...ridiculous at that too, just in a different way. Quote
Rover down South Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago (edited) I think Toth is a fantastic keeper and unless we are selling Pears, bringing in another keeper is just going to take up a space in the 25 man squad. Other positions are more of a priority. Edited 2 hours ago by Rover down South 1 Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Rover down South said: Other positions a priority. Abso-bloody-lutely. So what news of these two strikers VI allegedly wants? Im not interested in yarns about loans for young wing backs from Villa or back up keepers until those are sorted. Quote
Tyrone Shoelaces Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said: O'Leary is a fairly steady keeper at this level I think, ever present in the last two seasons for a side that finished 11th & 6th. Been injured a while then spent a bit of time on the bench, but has got himself back in the side playing there last 5 games. There will be nothing in this one I'm sure. Two other clubs in for him apparently so it’s a non starter. We only sign players when there’s no competition. 3 Quote
islander200 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said: It wasn't reported when we signed him. But neither was Hyam's and we had one on him. Come to think of it we probably don't have an option That poster who went to the Ismael talk said that Ismail had said Toth and Cantwell had been offered new deals we wouldn't be offering Toth a new deal if he had next year plus a years option Venky Rovers only bother offering new contracts when a player has a year left Quote
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