That was an interesting set piece, you love to see it.

Unlikely, the comments I've seen from fans so far are quite negative towards it.

Moran is awful

You remember one more than I do. We've had some appalling picks for captain but he's got to be close to the top.

If this isn't at least 0-5 I'll be surprised. Shocking lineup but not really the manager's fault the club have left him with a bjnch of 12 year olds and a few dossers.

I had it in my head that the club had said they weren't putting gambling companies on the shirts anymore when we moved to Recoverite? Have I completely made that up?

On the flip side, yet another game against an awful side where we have failed to win. There's not a chance we're picking up points against sides at the top in the run in and we badly need points on the board now. We're awful and deserve to go down.

When the squad has anyone decent in it stripped and the top mamagement publicly state there is no ambition then it's only a matter of time until the more senior players give up. Sammie knows he'll get flogged in the summer anyway so why bother runming himself into the ground anymore. Waggott and Venkys out!

Every time you think they can't get worse they do. Absolutely no spine and I fully expect us to get nothing out of this now.

New era, old era, doesn't matter. Same players, same crap results. At the investment level we have we're only going one way, as much as Andy Holt thinks we have the greatest owners in the universe. And that's before you consider the non investment calamities.

Just come in from some errands. Are Stoke that bad or are we up for it for a change?

Having had a bit of time to digest everything I have mixed feelings. Eustace seems to be living entirely off of the first 10 or so games of this season and has done nothing in his career to suggest he can do anything but keep his head above water, which is perfect for Swag but potentially a disaster for the club. Of course, as Rovers manager, he deserves a chance to prove himself and I'll back him, but this appointment is a major risk.

Honestly unless the owners by some miracle do one or get their act together leagues 2 is where I'd expect to be within 10 years.

I can't see it. Waggott knows full well the reaction would be even more negative than it is already.

Isn't this the exact stunt they played with Brierly(sp)? "Sign him, cock up the paperwork, get a pre-contract deal and then watch as they go literally anywhere else)" It's like they're doing it deliberately to pretend that they're still ambitious.

6th, 2nd, doesn't really matter. We were 7th a month later and look where we are now. There's no guarantee they were going to keep the results they had up. It was definitely harsh to sack him, but we shouldn't be making decisions based on 2 months of games.

Ah apologies - this thread is moving for quicker than my occasional peek in the office can keep up with!

I've said it a few times though, his win rate was never the issue, it's always been the loss rate. For a lot of last year he was at 50-50... if we had the ability to draw more reliably we'd have made play-offs last season and been in less danger this.

If we are moving back to a manager only model I can only assume that the model they had required them to reinvest the Wharton money and now they have no intention of doing so. The next mansger needs to be a miracle worker.

Yep, unfortunately that history makes him utterly unsuitable to turn the club around but perfect for Venky's to keep the circus going.

Torn on this whole situation and there is no real good to come from it. I can understand some of the players' frustrations, as we're expecting a lot of players to make an immediate impact moving up into the first team, but it is fairly standard to hear boos when you put in performances like ours this last month or two. That said, with it out there and the fans making clear the players are not in the firing line, there's no reason why we can't be vocally behind the players and against the owners. We cannot afford to be relegated again so anything we can do to help should be considered.

We were wet under TM as well and have been for years, not to mention the squad has largely been assembled by people who aren't JDT both before and during his tenure. Don't get me wrong, our football isn't physical enough for me either, but this is at least in part due to the "development" model.

On the flip side, they "didn't let Lewis down" by immediately signing someone else and punting him down to the reserves, so hard to say how firm his morals are.

Rovers 0-3 Stoke I don't see where any points come from, and if Sammie is injured and the Americans transfer has collapsed as rumoured we're stuck. I get the feeling it's about to get very toxic.

I think that's a stretch even for them - if that was the case why didn't they do it last time we went down? I think it's more likely complete and utter incompetence.