Hasta

When we were 2-0 down with 20 minutes left at Luton, or 1-0 down with half an hour left at Wigan, I’m fairly sure he was fit enough to do what JDT should have wanted him to do - salvage something from the game. But JDT chose to either not put him on (Luton) or give him 7 minutes (Wigan). I suspect because he’d rather the subs used (Hirst, Buckley or Wharton) did something instead, because that would be beneficial to ‘the project’. Their stubbornness cost us with Dack early season.

And expect fans to pay £430+ to fund this write off. Didn’t tell us that in July did they. Also with all this talk of ‘the project’ recently, do we really think Dack wasn’t fit enough early season? Or more likely JDT and GB thought he was stopping ‘development’ of our own. Its only when it became so glaringly obvious to them he was still our best footballer did they then backtrack.

Joellington swinging an elbow and the pushing someone two handed in the chest is a yellow card, but gently bouncing the ball on someone’s head is violent conduct.

I was once in a pub one afternoon in Liverpool near the southern docks full of Everton fans. It was 10th September 2011 (it was a special occasion so I remember the date). They found out I was a rovers fan and all they could talk about was how unjust it was to be protesting so personally against Steve Kean when, after all, we were a lower league club who basically “don’t belong” in the Premier League and it’s not Keans fault it looks like we are going to naturally return to our level. And that wasn’t one or two, it was the whole lot of them. I hope they keep Fat Frank and go down the arrogant swines.

And yet the immensely irritating Wurzels commentating on Robins TV were adamant it wasn’t even a booking 🙄

Yep. So, so, so biased

But we aren’t fishing in the “far better players with far better pedigree” pond. We now know how good bellamy was now. But when he came, his scoring rate was not brilliant at either Coventry or Newcastle, and his falling outs at Newcastle were high profile. I’d say his reputation as a very good premier league player started on an upwards curve at Ewood. Before that he was just decent with baggage. edit - not that I’m that fussed. But if he signs it’s one that could go either way to me.

Bingo. And as much as you think “let’s just arrange something without the footy” you never do it.

Bellamy and Elliot came with that ‘baggage’.

I'm too mature to use the 'don't look' emoji, implies the man who choses to be known as Sweaty Gussets 🙈🙈😄

He was shitness personified today, currently with a rating of 1.7 of the BRFCS player rating, but you keep polishing that turd Gav. In fact watch the full game on the official site when it’s available and tell me what minute he does anything other than the absolute basic.

Sunderland?

I agree, but a good manager gets the best out of what he has got. I feel JDT doesn’t as he insists that the squad he has must play a certain way to their detriment. The problem is bigger than JDT and GB. But we needed to get lucky with a manager who can get the most out of the academy and what he has by playing to their strengths. We currently are bending limited players to a style which doesn’t help them This is masked by our league position and our win record. But anyone watching the games knows full well that every game we lose we deserve to, but several of the wins have been games which could have gone either way. And now the tide is turning on results.

Or JDT has realised he was wrong to not play him as he’s better than what he has. I suspect the truth is in the middle.

Stop playing Gallagher out wide. Get a better striker than those two on loan. Stop passing around at the back for the sake of it. Get the team committed and matching the opposition for effort and controlled aggression in the middle of the park.

There won’t be 8 games to play when it gets put back cos you’re in the fa cup quarter final.

But where in that plan do you put Gallagher on the wing instead of Dolan or Markanday. And where in that plan do you keep playing passes in your own half instead of clearing your lines. And where in that plan do you refuse to change at half time when it’s clear as day Gally is having a shocker. I get the bigger picture, but todays performance and result is down to JDT making bad choices and also not being able to get the team to match the application of the opposition.

I’ve just looked and we started Antonnsonn and Samuel up front with Dack and DG on the bench 🙈

I’m not sure. I was at the Oldham game, we were inept and that felt like rock bottom just before we turned the corner. To hardly land a glove in a team 19th in league one. However, the fact we are debating this speaks volumes.

This is one of the most interest prem seasons for a long while. Relegation wide open. Top 4 wide open. ‘Big’ clubs struggling and a surprise team looking like they in the running for the title.

So you are saying we are 4 goals worse defensively without Brereton and Szmodics? Personally I think it’s more down to managers now knowing that they just need to press us and close us down. And that’s what is happening. And yet Pickering still plays a suicide ball for goal 1 and Gallagher, one of the centre halves and JRC all fail to just clear it for goal 2. Why? Well because we need possession, cos that’s how we increase value and JDT increases his reputation. I can accept losing, but In my eyes that’s the 2nd most embarrassing defeat since the Kean days, and it’s down to tactics, line ups and attitude.

We beat them 3-0 at Ewood. The side wasn’t hugely dissimilar to today other than Brereton. If not having Brereton leads to a 7-goal swing then god help us. He’s been sussed. Press us high and aggressive, get in front then sit deeper and keep pressing.

@booth I don’t disagree with most of that, but all it tells us is that there are other faults other than JDT. However JDT is a very stubborn, one-dimensional manager and he is currently being found out by a lot of the other managers in the league. On the individual match day thread, that shocking performance is down to him. The bigger picture I agree is elsewhere. I doubt anyone believes with the squad we had available today man for man, we should be getting battered at Rotherham .

They’re getting promoted at Ewood aren’t they? 😫

Players blasted off the pitch with “You’re not fit to wear the shirt”.