Firstly I've only read the last 3 or 4 pages to get the gist of whats been wrote since this morning and it's very off topic. For what its worth Oklahoma has contributed quite a bit to Euro2004 with reports of what peoples views and events from out in Portugal. I sometimes feel we seem to chase 'opposition' fans off this messageboard to quickly. It's not his fault we didn't turn up! Back onto the disallowed goal and its a rank decision. The linked photos don;t tell the story. The keep who is down after the header hits the bar come up and goes under Terrys arm. Terry is actaully nudged towards the keeper by the defender (which nobody who says the goal should have been disallowed seems to mention). It's a bloody good job this ref wasn't at the Baseball ground for Kevin Morans goal in the playoffs when he took the ball and 6 men into the back of the net!!! Finally Sven is clueless. I've said this for a few years now that when he needs to change it he can't do it and tactically he's niave. I've took quite a bit of stick over these years by other England fans who accuse me of holding these opinions because he's a Swede. However the tide is slowly turning and at work more and more people agree. On ITV tonight Venables was obivously unimpressed and Townsend (the converted Paddy?) just stopped short of saying he should go. Following this Skinner, Baddiel and the crowd on FF really put the boot in (Turd Gripe lol). Any chance of a poll either on here or elsewhere? Should he stay or should he go???

The linesman gave the goal. The ref disallowed it.

The keeper actually moves into Terry hence why he ends up with his arm over his shoulder. Also the only actual raising of hands for a push in the incident (as the nob ref indicated) if you look closely was by the defender on Terry as he was about to jump. David Beckhams reputation

Tchocky I'm bestest mates with a mod on this messageboard and any more of that I'll be getting permission to tell you where you can go!

Why just defend all game? Why take Gerrard off with 8 minutes left when if they equalise we have no subs for extra time? Why did hardly change anything despite having NO possession? Why is it a free kick if you boot comes off? Why not play Scholes 'in the hole' instead of Vassell and Own isolated up front? Why pick beckham on current form? Why get a twit (sp?) of a ref? Where exactly is there a push for campbells goal? Why did James not stand still and scorpion kick Postiga's crap penalty away? Why do we have a Swede managing England?

I have to say i have not laughed at a message board post as much as that one EVER.

Shows how opinions differ. I too thought Gerrard was the best of the midfield quartet. He is the only one that runs with pace and determination at the opposition. He also seemed to be everywhere filling in holes when the others had disappeared. At one stage he sprinted wide to block a winger (i use that term loosely!) getting in a cross, then when the ball was played in field he was closing down the shot from 25 yards. At the same time Lampard was just coming back into view. Still I'm not knocking any of the others in the team beacuase we won and they all contributed although, dare i say it, Beckham did bugger all again. Gary Neville V Christiano Ronaldo. Could be interesting

At the end of the day drink is the man catalyst for most violence like this. You may not be aware but last orders in Blackburn centre pubs at the weekend has been 2am for quite a while. Does it stop binge drinking? Nope, IMO it makes it worse as people just binge drink for longer. Rightly or wrongly it's the English way!

First of all its a major embarassment everytime this happens whether it be friendlies or tournaments. People arrested and caught on camera should be heavily fined or jailed rather than just deported back over here. However as for playing the incidents down its been all over Sky News, BBC 24 News and ITV news this morning. It's also reported here. The fact is there are over 30,000 England fans there and there were 2 arrests. There's probably more arrests in Blackburn centre on a Saturday night. Contrary to your views I actually think the press report every incident they can find regarding England fans. You never hear about arrests of fans from other countries but I'm pretty sure they occur. Oh, and I'll just add that we are far worse than other countries and again anyone caught should have their knackers chopped off.

We are still 2/1 to go down with Betfair yet Leeds are odds on!! Souness do the honourable thing.

For me the test for Souness starts now. I've backed him all the way since the day he arrived but how he handles this, his most sticky spell, will tell us a lot. He is going to have to swallow his pride a bit and change a few things round that he doesn't seem to want to do. We cannot persist with thommo on the left. We cannot persist with Emerton as a right sided midfielder who insists on tucking in and cutting in. This is starving the strikers of service from that flank. At least Dizzy got the odd cross in. Reid is not a defender (although he did OK today). Souness needs to stop overcomplicating team selection and get back to getting defenders at the back, midfielders who know their job and are comfortable doing that job in the middle and a run of games with a settled front 2. We're certainly not being helped by the injuries and suspensions currently and all those Lucas Neill knockers are now seing what we actually miss both in a defensive and attacking support role. People may laugh but when fit Shorty is looking like one of the first names on the team sheet both for his ability and his leadership sills at the back. Luck has completely deserted us but we can't go all season crying about the run of the ball. This run has to end sooner or later or we will end up in a relegation battle. Over to you Mr Souness. When the going gets tough ..............

Two things have emerged from this. First of all fair play to Jason for coming on here and stating his point of view. I think that had the job been taken up by another messageboard member after Rev then this thread would never have lasted this long. Secondly it also illustrates how easy it is for people to read the views of us all on this board. The next time you write how goddam useless that blimmin Aussie full back is and how he should blimmin well sod off etc.. remember that they may well be reading it. Oh, and just incase that is true:- Houllier your a bitter idiot !!!!

Just goes to show you can't please everybody. Whilst I thought the last couple of weeks columns were OK (certainly not as bad as they were painted on this thread) I thought this weeks column was bland and showed just how much of an unwelcome gap the Internationals put into our football lives. On the wider topic I used to enjoy reading and generally disagreeing with Rev's columns and, if the nature of his departure from the LET is as is depicted in this thread, think that the paper was wrong to discard him as it has done. However its not the fault of the new chappie so lets make sure we keep a balanced view of his column.

"I've got something to tell you, I've got something to say, We're gonna put this dream in motion, Nothings gonna stand in out way When the going gets tough, the Duff get's scoring, When the going gets rough, the Duff gets scoring," At least I'm trying!

I know this should be in the songs section but as I've wasted ages doing it and as it's Christmas I though I'd risk putting it here where people could see it. Here goes ..... To the tune of I wish it could be Christmas everyday With Dwight Yorke and Andy Cole, We thought you just might like to know, They put a great big smile upon everybodys' face. Taylor outjumped all the reds, Knocked the ball back with his head, And Flitcroft scored the goal that meant the mighty Rovers led Well I wish we could play man U every day. When Roy Keane starts whinging and Giggs shows he can't play. Well I wish we could play Man U every day. So let the blues sing out for Rovers. It was Sunday 2 o clock We were down at Ewood Park, Freidal kept the Forlan and nistelrooy at bay. And with Duffy showing no fear, We knew that victory was near, We'd have won by 4 or 5 if we'd have put all of our chances away. Well I wish we could play man U every day. When Roy Keane starts whinging and Giggs shows he can't play. Well I wish we could play Man U every day. So let the blues sing out for Rovers. With Dwight Yorke and Andy Cole (yorke and andy cole) We thought you just might like to know (just might like to know) They put a great big smile upon everybodys' face. And with Souey here to stay (Souey here to stay) And we've shown that we can play (shown that we can play) We'll sing our song out from the rooftops cos we know we sent Fergie on his way. Well I wish we could play man U every day. When Roy Keane starts whinging and Giggs shows he can't play. Well I wish we could play Man U every day. So let the blues sing out for Rovers.

Best fans anywhere in the world aren't they? No problems at all - until they can't get a drink!

Why aren't you dreaming about drawing Arsenal or Man U? You had the chance to be in their 'league' and blew it. You've got bigger fish to fry than Rangers? Don't think so because all the big fish swim in the champions league!! And for the record - You played well at Ewood, we were very poor and most Celtic fans were great!

If I was a coach then as blatantly simple as it sound I would make Gillespie spend 30 minutes a day running down the wing and practicing crossing. Do they actually do this with him? On a similar note I'd have Dunny & Flitty shooting from 25 yards for 30 minutes. Instead they probably play 7 a side and dribble round cones. Apart from April fools day, I've never seen cones on a football pitch.

To be fair to Jas I doubt any of us can really say what went on behind the Darwen End. I'm sure the police felt justified in going in to deal with whatever (drunks, abuse) they saw but I'm also sure that innocent Celts got caught up in it. As for the forged tickets, I know Crewe had a credit card style season ticket in 1993! This could be the answer. Not sure how this works for Matchday Tickets though.

Or the pillock, depending on your viewpoint.

The only gripe i've got with Rovers is as I've stated elsewhere. they said, as always, away fans would be ejected from the home areas but in most instances it doesn't happen. Why can't they have an extra steward & copper on each stairwell who ejects the away fans. I don't agree with kicking the fan from behind on his way out but I do agree with us chucking them out ourselves.

Rovers official site has announced this morning that big Brad is to have his operation on his knee after the game on Sunday. This will mean he misses the Charlton and Fulham games. The injury first came to light to Rovers fans in the warm up for the Arsenal game and, although Brad has been magnificent since then, the club seem to have decided it would be better to clear the problem up rather than risk making it worse.

Bit harsh

Forgot about him. What a nob. He embarrased the Rovers fans and got laughed at by the Celtic fnas. Well done mate!!

Where do I start?? First of all I'm fortunate I never stated how well we played in the first leg because I honestly believed Celtic played way below what they could do. I cringed over the last fortnight at the Rovers fans saying we'll hammer you second leg because the chances were that we would not play that well again (we didn't against Villa, Saints) and that Celtic would play better. As with most Rovers fans I believe over the 2 legs we have the better players. However there is something still missing within the club that has led us not to be the team that is best at getting the right result. Credit to Celtic, they came and showed the first leg to be all wrong.Larrson's finish was top class. We've restricted Celtic to giving their star player just 2 chances throughout the 2 games but he's stuck them both in the back of the net. Could we say the same about Cole? In the second half we threw caution to the wind, created nothing and Celtic exposed us at the back. Beofre the game all the Celtic fans I spoke to on the streets and in the pub were very friendly. Strange how many of them we're from England with English accents but they were still passionate about the club. Every one of them wanted to chat about football and despite their obvious intoxication were a great laugh. Any complaints?? Yep I've got 2. 1) Sorry lads but that was not the loudest away following I've heard in the Darwen end. Newcastle and especially City (in 2000) were FAR louder. 2) (And probably controversially) Nearly every Celtic fan I spoke to said 'You'll hear us singing songs about supporting the IRA. Don't be offended cos we don't mean anything by it.' We'll dont sing them then. You wouldn't go to brixton and say 'You'll hear us singing songs about supporting the Klu Klux Klan. Don't be offended cos we don't mean anything by it.' Anyway I'm going away tommorow morning till Sunday night (yep I miss the Everton game ). However this means I won't have to read the obvious rubbish from Jas and his mates. To the rest of the decent Celtic fans (Pete, SMc & Co) well done lads and good luck.