So, no fishing needed. Stand down Gazza!

Spoken like a true old codger. 😉 This is techno bollux:

What the hell is wrong with modern society that people have zero self awareness? They're getting all frothy mouthed about the JW era, seemingly completely unaware of the similarities (barring the local owner vs miles away owners). Good, honest, historic working class town riding the crest of wave after having substantial financial backing pumped in. Clubs with a decent background that had languished somewhat in the decade or so before the new journey began. An amazing feel good factor that unites the local fan base (and draws in new fans from outside) as the club not only becomes successful on the pitch, but does wonders for the geographical area itself. But they're calling us a bunch of w****rs for enjoying and celebrating that period, whilst they are currently neck deep in it. 🤔 Siri, give me a real life example of a famous meme:

Speaking of thicker, you probably need to develop thicker skin to be posting on an opponent's MB if this is what sets you off. Unless you're perhaps new to football and the internet. Being a Wrexham fan, the latter is quite likely. 😉

Yeah, that works better. There's probably a reason you get interviewed by The Times and I s**tpost on here. 😂 It's not just the deterioration that irks as much as the people being incredulous if you comment on it. So... the ornate, antique, sculpted fountain has been lost and replaced with a manky hose sticking out the ground with holes in it. I'm commenting to my wife how sad it is that we can't appreciate the beauty anymore. Guaranteed someone walks behind me and fires out a: "Ungrateful git! You should be happy there's a water feature at all." "Well, excuse me for not being wowed by the mud puddle!" 😡

I've no problem with differing opinions, but to claim "best ownership" is just madness. It's not defendable in any way, shape or form. Might as well claim the sky's not blue. And as for their "support" being "incredible". Mindblowing. They've supported the club financially, no doubt about that. The near quarter of a billion hole illustrates it. But support to me is so much more than that, particularly in the cut throat world of football. It's like a boss paying their staff minimum wage, and getting a big pat on the back and thank-you. Forget that they worked 12hr shifts with no break, no H & S equipment provided which caused work injuries, inadequate toilet facilities provided on site etc etc. The employees revolt and confront the boss and he/she just points to a payslip and says: "Yeah, but look, I paid you!" Yeah, you did the absolute bare minimum that was required. And expect to be lauded for it. Not the perfect analogy, but I'm pretty sick of "Yeah, but they pay the bills!", like that even comes close to evaluating their overall performance as owners.

A quick glance at the TL gets even worse: Nathan P @nathandp222 · Nov 10, 2023 Venkys maintaining their position as one of the best ownerships in the league. They have been for years! Pumping money in year after year after year. The support Venkys have put in to #rovers is incredible and would be more if not for ffp. Yes they were badly advised to begin with but the club is stable and competitive because of them. Without them the club wouldn’t exist.

Bet the Xmas parties get very out of hand.

Just to nip this in the bud, everyone is free to disagree with this statement as strongly as they want. But please DO NOT make it personal or about the group as a whole. The reasons for this should be blindingly obvious.

Well it's nice to dream then. Imagine getting better ownership back in the club and knowing The Rao's had permanently lost 100's of millions of pounds. That would be a sweet tasting pint that night, even if we were in League 2. Not holding my breath though.

I thought that too when looking at the list, but at least one in Derby seems pretty similar to us: "Debts spiralled north of £180 million, although two-thirds of that was to former owner Morris. Almost £30 million was owed to the tax man, with a further £20 million owed to US investment firm MSD Holdings via various loans secured against the stadium. Another £10 million was outstanding to football creditors." https://theathletic.com/3397152/2022/07/03/derby-county-saved-clowes/ I don't know the ins and outs of how Derby then dealt with situation, even after skim reading the article. Did Morris end up writing off a lot of his debt? I can see the new owners agreed to pay 25p on every £1 owed to unsecured creditors. There's generally some way out of these financial messes if people put their minds to it.

I'll be honest, only just got them as ESPN went down for me. But after 2 mins your plan sounds sensible.

WBA commentators = "Worst defensive performance we've seen all season."

See my posts above. Don't get me wrong, I laughed....hard. But trying to look neutrally, still don't think it's a wrong/bad decision. Var looked at replay about 10 times, and I think the theatrical way Trafford went down worked against you. Var/viewers aren't stupid. You can tell when a player has been 'taken out' and when one has just flung themselves to the floor to try and buy one. I'm actually very surprised how many people/pundits have a completely opposite opinion to me. Suppose we all see things differently. Or maybe it's just my unconscious bias. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Ah, SC, please don't pop in the board without giving us your opinion on the goal/potential foul in the Burnley thread. What's your non-tinted glasses view?

Tbf most teams don't end up rock bottom of the form table and with most amount of goals conceded in the league. I'd hazard a guess only us and Rotherham have done it this season.

Scrappy Doo is fun and makes me smile.

Espn commentator shows he has two good working eyes.

S. Wharton getting illegally manhandled for the goal in that replay. Not even subtle.

Think I might watch the snooker.

Weird isn't it. Football Focus had it down as a definite foul too (Ellen White, Stephen Warnock). They stopped protecting keepers like that years ago. If you go into the keeper, yes, a sneeze is a foul. But if the keeper goes into you (which happened here imo) they give much more leeway nowadays. It's a 50/50 call at best for me. But many are calling it a stonewall foul. Football opinions are odd.

Understatement that. It was an embarrassing dive with arms flailing in the air (nowhere near the ball). I genuinely wouldn't be complaining if that was us, I'd be berating Leo/Pears for being useless. So just a standard match day really.

Moran asleep at throw in. Pickering absolutely bossed. Hyam at fault in the box. You're not going to get away with 3 errors at once.

Certainly felt like a bunch of players that had lost trust in the process and each other today. If they don't bounce back in the next few games, I really fear we're going to be telling a TM death spiral to hold our beer.

Loads of that wasn't there. Picked up by the Yorkshire commentators too. Said the body language was awful all over the pitch. Grim.