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Nor would I blame the club. I accept that we are where we are. Provided we got a reasonable price for him I wouldn't have an issue with selling him, although I would be concerned/disappointed if we did. We ain't going up any time soon unless something drastic changes so don't see how we could reasonably deny him a Premier League move. What I would object to is handing Mowbray whatever proceeds we got. He's had enough and we need to be moving on. My worry is that a sale or two of prized assets is just going to see the 'slow build' continue for another few years and the owners think Mowbray is great because he's turned them a good profit.

Selling Armstrong for over 10 million secures Mowbray's position for another couple of years. He'll be Mr Popular with the Venky bean counters and point to his approach being vindicated. Not what we need. We need to keep Armstrong as long as possible and make a managerial change to bring in the staff needed to get us promoted. The Armstrongs of this world are like gold dust. Very difficult to replace. The Mowbrays of this world are easy to replace.

Interesting to read that we've only been paying about 10% of Trybull's wage which is a staggering £22,000 a week at Norwich (according to Sharpe/Rovers). That takes some believing given Norwich are financially sensible and quite well run and Trybull joined them in the Championship after a nomadic career. But even if true it confirms my suspicions that on many of these loans - Reed, Palmer, Tosin, Trybull, Elliott - we aren't spending anywhere near what some might think and are picking these lads up at the end of the transfer window on low cost short term deals. I suppose the big question is who has leaked this £22k per week / 10% contribution story to Richard Sharpe and to what end?

That's probably part of the problem but not one we should be surprised with. As a manager he's always focused on the top end of the pitch rather than the back and this has ultimately been his downfall in all previous jobs including Coventry. I also doubt that those funds would have been sanctioned by the owners if they were instead being spent on a couple of experienced centre halves. I just think this manager neglects the defence, always has, always will, and some of the things I've heard from his career in terms of defensive organisation and coaching tally with this. As I said yesterday with a negligent approach and attitude to defence, staggering for an ex CB who has had the same issues elsewhere in his managerial career and hasn't learned from them, then it matters not what personnel he puts out. There's a limit to what the best in the world could do if the coaching and tactics aren't right. Put Allardyce or most Championship managers in charge of Douglas-Ayala-Lenihan-Nyambe and you'd concede a hell of a lot less than we do. Likewise we wouldn't have ended up playing two midfielders in there.

Has any defender been consistently good under this manager? Tosin was good but has since shown he was probably too good for us. Cunningham for a spell before he got injured. Amazing how all the rest end up rubbish even when they arrive here with good reputations from elsewhere. Perhaps there's another reason for it. Maybe the penny will drop upstairs sooner or later. We'll probably work our way through another dozen defensive scapegoats before then costing the club millions until Mowbray has nowhere left to hide.

Oh well, another dollop of free positive publicity and 'proof' we are chasing decent players. Should keep restless fans quiet for the rest of January.

I thought we went backwards after Trybull was taken off on Saturday. Probably another who needs a run of games which he hasn't had yet.

I wish I could have such faith but it simply isn't happening. We're wasting time and money on this when it should be going into a new manager and coaching staff.

I'd rather we made decisions to try and get promoted and keep Dack and Armstrong. Starting with appointing the coaching staff required and having an assault on next season.

I'll stick to what I said yesterday. I don't care who we sign as I don't think it will make an ounce of difference. This lad might be a good un, he might be crap. I've never heard of him so don't know. Eventually the revolving door of players will stop and people will realise that the problem is in the dugout and not just on the pitch. We could sign prime Maldini and we'd still concede goals galore under this manager. All this does is buy him more time as fans get excited by a new arrival or two to take us through to the summer.

I'm really past caring who we bring in. At best a temporary sticking plaster but unlikely to make any significant difference unless the manager goes or changes his approach.

One way to look at the Mowbray situation is to ask ourselves if he has really done enough in his near 4 years at the club to earn relentlessly enduring patience and support. I’d argue that the initial few months of his tenure were exempt due to the horrendous situation he inherited and then clearly he did a good job in leading us back from League One at the first attempt but since then it has been over 2.5 years and barring a few short decent runs it has been mid-table or bottom half throughout. Some might say that is good because he’s kept us clear of any serious relegation trouble and established us again which is all correct, but my view is that with the resources and squad he has had at his disposal that isn’t much of an achievement. It certainly doesn't earn him endless time to keep repeating the same old mistakes. It should be noted that there are only 10 managers in the Football League who have been in post longer than Mowbray has been here. I’d argue that every one of those managers has had either far greater success in their time or far more testing conditions to work in, or both, earning them the time they have had. These are: SIMON WEAVER – HARROGATE – Led them up the non leagues and into the Football League for the first time ever GARETH AINSWORTH – WYCOMBE – led them up from League Two to the Championship against all the odds into a division they shouldn’t really be in SEAN DYCHE – B*RNLEY – twice led them to automatic promotion to the Premier League and has now kept them there against the odds for several years JOHN COLEMAN – ACCRINGTON – led them to an unprecedented promotion into League One and has kept them there despite being the smallest club and budget in the League and is now closing in on the play offs – we might be playing them soon JURGEN KLOPP – LIVERPOOL – League Champions and Champions League winners – enough said MARK COOPER – FOREST GREEN – Led them into the League for the first time and consistently pushing for promotion to League One CHRIS WILDER – SHEFF UTD – Led them from League One to Premier League and kept them there, boyhood fan PEP GUARDIOLA – MAN CITY – 2x League title and multiple other trophies – enough said PAUL WARNE – ROTHERHAM – 2x promotion from League One & no money to spend in the Championship DAVID ARTELL – CREWE – Promotion from League Two and now at highest level in many years with no money to spend Others around for just less time than Mowbray are Mark Robins at Coventry – promotions from League Two to Championship with zero money and no stadium, Neil at Preston who has threatened a couple of times to hit the top 6 (including being in the top two for a chunk of last season), yet is also now getting grief from fans, Nuno Santo at Wolves who has led them from Championship to Europa League in 3 years and Farke at Norwich on course for his 2nd promotion to the Premier League in 3 seasons at this level. We can therefore see that all these managers around who have been in place for longer or as long as Mowbray have vast reserves of credit in the bank, are working at lower league outfits with no money or have won trophies/promotions multiple times at their existing clubs. Mowbray’s achievement of taking us back out of League One, whilst respectable and successful, is in my view much lesser than the achievements I’ve listed above from similar long term serving managers. Other managers to do what Mowbray has include Cook with Wigan, Parkinson with Bolton, Jackett with Wolves, Caldwell with Wigan. Promotions not to be sniffed at but none of those lot were entitled to 4 or 5 years free reign or cult-like status after that to tread water. Most were binned off relatively soon afterwards. This isn’t a Mowbray bashing exercise just think it is worth pointing out that his accomplishments in taking us to a regular mid table fixture don’t really match up to other long serving managers who have truly earned enduring patience and loyalty at their clubs. He's something of an anomaly. He isn't a club legend despite what Waggott and others want to believe and I don't think he has achieved anything in terms of results above and beyond what would be expected for someone in place this long. He's something of an anomaly among the longer serving managers. The problem of course is the lunatics that run the club seem to enjoy the tribute the manager pays them by going off and telling them how brilliant they are and this appears to be a prerequisite to getting any money out of them. Barking mad but likely to hinder things considerably.

Completely agree that the club is run as two separate entities. I think Waggott was given or got the job on the basis he could boost income, get more blood out of the stone and reduce what they needed to put in. They've also never taken much, if any, interest in the health of the club itself hence why we get Ewood in the state it is, the pitch looking like non-league standard, and embarrassing efforts by Waggott to scrape together a few quid. Then they're happy to hire private jets to take the first team to Cardiff, give pointless new contracts to Sam Hart and Dominic Samuel and keep Ben Gladwin here because he's a nice lad. Makes no sense but then very little does.

I'm just glad we couldn't have fans at the ground, as it would have been an awful afternoon to be at Ewood. Poor weather, poor performance, poor result and 3000 Rovers fans scattered around two stands heading home fed up.

Its Club Cash but under a different name. Offer stuff worth buying and I'll spend some money.

I suppose the real question is whether the target is Mowbray's or the owners or both and whether it is fixed or flexible. He might have decided his own target is the top 6 but its meaningless if the owners aren't demanding it. Anyway, no doubt there will be the usual excuses including Travis and Dack being injured for half the season, which will ultimately get him off the hook either way.

We will always be less than 10 points off the top 6. Thats the Championship. Unless you are marooned in a relegation scrap you have a sniff of the play offs. There's absolutely no indication this manager has the ability to get us in there nor indeed keep us there and a top 6 slot guarantees nothing so shouldn't be treated as the Holy grail. Imagine if he did scrape 6th one season but we got slaughtered in the playoffs he'd be dining off that 'success' for years.

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If he wants a new contract he will get one. It might take the owners 6 months to sort out but they will do it without question. The question is whether Mowbray will want one. By then he'll have had 5 years and I firmly believe the owners will be into cost cutting mode by that point. I doubt he'd want to stick around for that part of our journey. Thats why change asap is needed because the likes of Armstrong, Elliott and Dack won't be here much longer. We need new ideas to make the most of them whilst we can and even when they go we need new ideas when it comes to replacing them.

I think it is funny how there are so many third parties, neutrals and rival clubs fans who seem to be under the impression that Mowbray is the best thing since sliced bread and that Rovers fans are deluded/unrealistic/clueless for suggesting a change is needed. Of course most of these buffoons don't watch Rovers with any regularity nor do they have any emotional investment in the club and are quite comfortable with us coasting along making up the numbers and being nice guys and the neutrals favourites. Usually they harp on about what great business we've done or how unlucky we are or what a good style of football we have. Of course all meaningless but just like when rival managers are heaping praise on us it is usually a sign that the opposition are quite happy with where we are and what we do. The point at which rivals and the top sides start to feel genuinely threatened by us and we employ a style and tactics to ruffle feathers and grind out results winning ugly and nasty at times is precisely the point at which these third parties, media people and rivals suddenly start calling us, complaining about us and moaning about us. I'll know then that we are in business. Remember Souness, Hughes and Allardyce didn't get many plaudits or pats on the back from rivals because they aggravated rivals. I see that Danny Cowley is looking for a job with him and his brother both doing punditry work today. I think we could do worse. Up and coming, recharged, fresh methods and ideas. Don't think he gets the credit he deserves for hauling Huddersfield to safety either. I'll always like him for dumping the dingles out of the cup the other year too. Sadly such an appointment is just too logical for this club. Stick with the same old and go nowhere because he's a nice man and we've a nice bunch of lads here. Oh and a few injuries too.

I fail to see what benefit there is to keeping him from here. We certainly aren't going up as we are, and won't be going down unless we have a collapse of epic proportions. So almost certainly in the Championship again next season with 4 months and half the fixtures still to play. If there was some semblance of a plan, or indication that Mowbray could learn from his mistakes then I might buy into the suggestion of him having next season, but does anyone who has watched us for the last 3 years see anything to suggest he can take that next step in the right direction? All the problems we have at present - recruitment, squad depth, ineffective performances, inconsistent results - have been trademarks of his management here. People at his age with his experience don't suddenly change their ways. What good does another 5 months of plodding and another summer making the same mistakes do?

We only flogged about 8000 last season. Since then we've had a pandemic, recession, price rises and still have mediocre Mowbray and Waggott running the show that most people are now thoroughly bored of. Our existing ST base is allegedly around 2500 which is horrendous in itself but can be explained away due to the restrictions. So yeah, no serious changes and I think 5000 is probably where we will end up.

Well a full house on the Mowbray bingo. A textbook Mowbray performance with just about every ingredient on display today. - Bright(ish) start to the game for the first 10-15 minutes but alas no goal to show for it - I said to my dad when the clock hit 15 that I'd have any bet going that we wouldn't score until the second half at the earliest, and probably wouldn't score all afternoon. - Rapid regression into mind-numbing rubbish for most of the game after the clock reached 15 minutes. - Bundles of possession but precious little to show for it yet conning viewers into thinking we are in control or dominating the game simply by having lots of passes. - Opposition that manages to contain our 'threats' with ease - Opposition that got forward on only a few occasions yet each time carved open our defence with relative ease and only needed a couple of passes to do so - they should have had two goals before they scored and shamefully allowing their player half the Ewood pitch to run with the ball unchallenged. - Once we fall behind the manager then proceeds to chuck on every attacker he has, presumably the logic being that because we need a goal throwing on everyone of an attacking instinct will increase our chances of scoring - only there seems to be no plan or strategy to this approach, it rarely works and we end up with a mess and a ridiculously imbalanced side. - Could still be playing now and I wouldn't have expected a goal - A squad bereft of options and ideas, created in no small part by the manager and his poor recruitment and failure to address important positions. - Usual injury enforced substitution - beyond a joke now that every single game we lose at least one player to injury - Disgraceful body language from the manager most of the afternoon, making a point of sitting down in his chair saying very little and he only started to do anything for the first part of the second half. Once he'd made his changes it was back to sitting down looking bored. I want to see the manager or his staff in the techical area encouraging and instructing the players - we don't see anything of Johnson or Lowe who only appear when the subs are getting ready and Venus seems to spend his time whinging at the 4th official (no problem with that normally but today it was needless and embarrassing). Compare to the opposition who have a raft of coaches communicating and barking instructions throughout. - You know you've been worn down with it when the highlight of the day would have been MK Dons winning and then that solace was taken away in the last minute. There's the full Mowbray set. You could be forgiven for thinking it is 2017 or 2018 but no it is 2021 and it is still groundhog day. Nothing has really changed and nothing will change.

Short term loans now, unless outstanding quality along the lines of what Villa got in their promotion season, are a waste of time and money. If there was a medium or long term plan we would be recruiting to address issues for beyond the next 4 months. Its a sticking plaster job yet the plaster comes off in May and the gaping wound is still there. Even worse when we lose Nyambe, Williams, Douglas and Bell. A new defence to build, likely no money and on it goes around in circles. "Lets see who he brings in" "New signings are coming" "Lets see how they settle in and how we start the season" "Player X is injured. Not Mowbray's fault" As for the owners backing him this window with loans don't make me laugh. Everton would pay for their lad to come here and play Championship football for 6 months. Ideal. Whatever it costs us will likely be covered by savings on outgoings.

There's no potential about it. We've already got half the squad out of contract in the summer and adding more loans now will only add to that. I'd rather the funds were diverted into renewals of contracts to reduce the massive rebuilding job they're going to have in the summer. I thought there was meant to be some sort of medium term plan here under Mowbray's stewardship. I dont think this indicates any sort of plan just a make do and mend job and then another one next summer through failing to keep players tied down.