Kompany was at Anderlecht and won nothing, probably his biggest achievement to date, despite being allowed to splurge on the likes of Cullen and Gomez He might become a good manager - definitely has the backing of the City cartel ahem Sergio Gomez ahem - but one thing is for certain: he will be out of Burnley like a shot He's a big club man, Burnley was his foot in the door to English management. He's no Dcyhe - they will come calling and he will go running and he won't look back. The only fond memory he will have of Burnley is the fact he slept on a mattress stuffed with money and how the staggering amounts of cash kept coming to buy success. Oh and the fancy new tunnel too

Chelsea have just signed Fofana. Any football manager players in here will know this name - PROLIFIC 😄 I like Potter, I just think Chelsea are the wrong club for him. Can't blame him for taking it but you don't get the time there - it is instant success or out. It is a model that has worked for them but for Potter it could set him back a few years.

It is becoming ridiculous but the league has no appetite to challenge the PL Chelsea have a staggering 20 players out on loan this year; Man Utd 12; Man City 16; Liverpool had 16 last year, less this year But this collection of players is again a demonstration of the disparity on wealth. They can afford to pay the wages regardless, some do only pay a certain % of wages, because the chances are they might get 3/4m for them down the line. Forest signed Neco Williams for £16m this season after his loan at Bournemouth So the big clubs fund huge pools of youth talent, hoover up whoever has a chance of success, knowing that if only a few make it they can recover the costs. It's no risk to them at all really, because the millions will keep coming from the PL and Uefa Meanwhile transfer prices go up at their behest - £16m for Neco Williams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Markanday hasn’t shown me anything to suggest he’s the answer Weak, his shot can be poor and bar a few dribbles here and there seems anonymous But he hasn’t had many chances, so we could do worse, but something tells me he isn’t the answer

It’s a good point I suppose I’m prioritising the here and now. If buying JVPH stops us getting the CM we are desperate for it’ll be a bad do

A complete disaster would assume we are not 3rd I know people keep laughing at this line, but we are there out of merit and merit alone. If a loss is the fault of the manager, so are the wins We have 4 games we should win now: Rotherham, Bristol, Blackpool and Wigan Obviously we know what happened last time we played Wigan so I'd expect a performance there Personally I am going to wait until the end of those games to decide if I get excited by promotion. In my opinion we should have 12pts between now and the Watford game - I'd be happy with 9.

We have Ayala, Hyam and Wharton As much as I love JVPH please sign a central midfielder. The team is crying out for an Nzonzi type

Longest road in England I think it is Some great pubs along the way. With little trips on the voi scooters they have to speed you along If anybody is walking down that way - roughly an hour walk from the end of Gloucester Rd you want to be at - you want to stop off at a pub called "The Pipe and Slippers" before the march through the centre They do a drink called the "Pipe Dream". It's £11 but it will make you forget about some of Morton's passing this season To be honest even if you started in the centre there's a number of decent pubs worth stopping at: the harbour or the old city are two stand out points

Stick with us roverandout Being an England fan is all about heartache. It’s what brings us together - common misery

I got tickets last season late on and hoping to do the same again A great away day for all of those that haven’t been btw! A big old March down Gloucester Road before the games, plenty of beers and friendly chat, and then a night out in the harbour after As good a night you will get anywhere in the country And the fans are friendly too.

The cavalry has arrived Mismanagement. You won’t find any of us denying it But again, the differences in parachute payments between then and now compared to the finances of the championship are huge And we admit it. It wasn’t a few years ago, it was 12 years I’m gonna say Oldham

And when working in conjunction with each other it has given relegated teams an advantage not known in sports before That is: your competitors must spend what their revenue allows, but we will offset your losses for failure to the tune of +FIVE times the average revenue of other clubs in this league Therefore clubs are given three years of inflated revenues to spend and gamble on promotion back to the PL and so the cycle begins again And history is telling us that’s what is happening. A merry go round of a handful of clubs People will look back at this period of football and laugh. It’s a ridiculous set of rules

Not once have I said you should feel bad But you are here saying it is salty to say you have brought the league. In fact you are denying it. When clearly there are huge financial disparities between you and about 21 other teams In this current financial system you are a club that has a massive advantage over others, and you are out spending others, and so the reality is you are doing what we did and taking advantage of the rules of the time and “buying” the league Except we bought the league that counts I’m not asking for a bigger slice of the pie or asking you to feel sorry for us. I’m simply asking you to admit you are part of a few contingent of clubs who are currently reaping the financial rewards of a rigged system and are using it to buy success in this league You said we did it with Jacks millions and now you are doing it with Liverpools, Utds, Chelsea’s, Tottenham’s and City’s millions As football fans we should all feel it is unfair but if it is working for you so be it. But, and I think this is a difference between us, I would have the balls to admit the advantage we had But congratulations on buying the second best league in England. If the shoe fits and all that 🤷‍♂️

No you didn’t. You were relegated from that league And the rules were very different back then. Financial Fair Play was introduced in 2011. This also coincided with the 2013 TV pay deal. As a result it has meant the competition has been hamstrung: FFP has restricted Championship clubs from being able to compete with any club in receipt of parachute payments. That’s just a fact. And this issue is now coming to light by looking at the disparity in league standings Last year a typical championship club would be in receipt of about £8m in solidarity payments. Whilst a newly relegated club would receive about £40m, followed by £35m and then followed by £20m. That’s on the old deals money - there’s been a new one late 22 You will make over 5 times what a typical Championship club will make. This system is arrived so “small” clubs can produce a Competitive team at premier league level if promoted. In effect, this financial system is created to allow the Big 6 to spend big and be ultra competitive And you are benefitting from it It has never been as unequal as it has been in the last 5/6 years, and the results are showing. You can either accept it or just lie to yourself Our two situations are not comparable. But you are right, we did not spend ours so wise, but the disparity in wealth between relegated clubs then and relegated clubs now was smaller. The double whammy is the FFP - clubs can’t spend like you even if they wanted to, simply because you are in receipt of money you “earned” through failing in the last league you were in I wouldn’t have as big an issue with parachute money if they removed FFP. Currently there’s about 18/19 teams playing by different rules to the rest. The spending power is heavily restricted, and as a result there’s been a pretty consistent churn of the same teams in and out of the Championship / Prem, and ultimately it all comes down to FFP/Parachute payments My issue isn’t solely with Burnley - but you are where you are because you can spend £25m (through sales) but also because you can afford a salary over three times the typical championship club. They are the facts.

It doesn't matter where the money has come from. The rules at the time allowed that. Anybody could have done it, and in the ensuing seasons they did without success Newcastle broke the spending record for 3 years in a row and never won the PL And you didn't earn it - you got relegated. It's a financial system that hamstrings other clubs' competitiveness. Everybody else is restricted by FFP on their spending, whilst relegated clubs are given huge pay days because without it there wouldn't be a lot of clubs who could afford to compete with the financial firepower of the "Top 6" So your buying of the league is even more grotesque. We won the big boy league thanks a homegrown gazillionaire - you are buying the second division thanks to a system that will allow you to nibble at the crumbs the big lads leave you Fair play though, at least you'll win it but there will be an almighty * against it and that goes for every club in receipt of parachute money whilst FFP is in operation in the lower leagues

He did invest a lot, but that's been happening ever since. And it's not really what we are talking about here, although it is a cause of why English football is in the state it is. The point is that clubs are now rewarded for failure, and whilst benefactors are still distorting the top of the Premier League, the current rules are now distorting competition in the second league. Of which you are benefitting The facts remain that relegated clubs now have an overwhelming advantage in the pursuit of promotion. The standings of the league through the last decade show that. It has always been this way, but the gap is widening significantly due to financial payouts Your payroll is 3x our and is only beaten by the clubs you mention: Watford and Norwich Nobody is denying that management is a factor - put a dummy in charge and the money is insignificant but this started with you saying it was salty for saying you bought the league. Yet, by your own fans' definition of Rovers "buying" the league in 95, you are doing. It isn't being salty, it is just reality It is likely that one of Norwich or Watford will get promoted as well. They will do so by spending in January while other clubs can't. There will always be exceptions to the rule but that isn't what we are talking about. Burnley, along with Norwich, Watford and Sheffield United all have an advantage over other clubs. It doesn't always work out (Huddersfield, Stoke) but that doesn't mean the advantage isnt real

I don't think the first point is true. Championship wages have grown, but nowhere near to the level the PL revenue deals and therefore PL wages have. I believe you were paying players upwards of 80k p/w. You are still paying players 40k+this season https://www.capology.com/uk/championship/salaries/ Take a look at the link above, you'll see relegated clubs are still paying double, if not triple, what long-standing clubs in the Championship are. It is uncompetitive Was throwing in Jack there just to bait? Benefactors still hugely distort competition in the PL. Man City being the prime example. Bournemouth only got promoted because of their benefactor - they then paid the fine for breaking the rules. So did Leicester. In the PL almost all clubs have wealthy benefactors - Aston Villa managed to spend £100m when in the Championship. Newcastle is the next one. The problem is that this wealth is now distorting competition in the league below, and not just due to quality of players coming down but in sustained financial benefits for just entering the 'promised' land There's far more influence on the owners' wealth in modern day football than there has ever been. I'm sorry but that's just fact. I know it doesn't go with the Burnley/PNE rhetoric of Uncle Jack bought the league but the numbers say differently In no other business do we reward failure with such huge levels of cash: it flies in the face of our free market economy. At the moment Burnley are benefitting from it, so I suspect no matter your reasoned approach you won't see it that way, but at the moment you are operating in the 'middle league' that has a significant advantage over everybody else. If you didn't come in the top 2 this season you would have been an outlier when comparing relegated clubs' final league position since the 2013 TV pay deal Let's put it this way: we could be promoted this season, and make absolutely no attempt to survive, and still be rewarded with a whopper pay deal spread over 4 years (1 in PL, 3 in parachute payments) and all of a sudden we would enter the next 3 seasons in the Championship with a huge advantage over others. Norwich have been doing it for years, as have Watford.

Giles was a signing for a serious promotion push. It was the other signings, or lack of, that showed it was never realistic It was criminal not to have attempted to capitalise on the form we were in then

We did. Prior to the latest TV pay deal that is. It was not commensurate with the average wages. It is as a % of the broadcast revenue deal at the time. When we were relegated in 2012 the TV deal was worth £1.2bn The TV deal is now +£5bn Since 2013 it has been above £3bn And since 2015 the winners of the Championship have all been relegated clubs from the PL (except Leeds in 2019). That is because the parachute money, determined by PL broadcast revenue, has consistently outstripped growth in Championship clubs' finances. Our deal was incomparable with the deal relegated Clubs get now. Which is unfortunate, but that's the way of the world It has always happened in reality - WBA used to be the yoyo club. In part because they bring down quality players. But anybody denying the trend since 2015 is lying to themselves: it almost at the point of a middle league between the Prem and the Championship in which clubs like Watford, Norwich, Fulham, Bournemouth and WBA now operate in financially. It will also include Sheff Utd, Burnley, Leeds, Forest soon This "PL2" is by design. Absolutely it is. The trick is for clubs to get into it ASAP because the chances for clubs like Barnsley or Luton etc are all becoming less and less thanks to big money awarded for failure

It is abundantly clear that the parachute money from the Premier League allows teams to be very competitive after relegation You have to use it right, but nowadays it isn't difficult because the last TV pay deal meant the disparity in wealth between the Championship and the Premier League is huge I am all for benefitting financially so it isn't salty, it just is what it is. Burnley don't shut up about us "buying" the league in 95 after all...the top league that is.

Don’t get your beef What proper channels do we have regarding the Garrett tackle? As he’s been penalised on the pitch we cannot appeal But it does not take a football genius to know that it is a red card, especially in the wake of the red card the game before The role of the social media manager is to look for likes. Videos like that do it. I’m more concerned at the inconsistency of officiating than our media team making videos about them. You can scroll past the video - the decisions change games

Where has this come from? Coventry came back to us with an offer LOWER than we gave? Can’t be true

It also highlights the stupidity of the red card As many said on the day - a ball is thrown in the direction of a player in every game at every level The red card for Buckley was a joke

No We had lost the the Burnley and Preston game back to back when Buckley hadn’t started Since JB has started we beat Norwich, where he was arguably the best player in midfield, and have lost to Sunderland and Boro Against Boro he had a good first half and an act of petulance ruined it for him We can’t see what you see because we don’t look at it through the same strange hatred of all things Buckley As for your comments about your mate from PNE bossing our midfield: where was you when we turned em over twice last year? Including a 4-1 drubbing that Buckley scored in? Like I said: at least try and hide your bias

That’s not how it has gone down at all At least when you’re making your classic know it all statements try and use a modicum of the truth 👍