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I was more thinking this with Waggot's pricing structure........................

In Fergie's autobiography he spoke about Hargreaves and how it was less of a physical problem to him but more of a mental problem. Hargeaves often declared himself injured when he believed he wasn't. It is pure wild speculation but something strikes me as odd with Evans. I understand the breaks this year have been genuine, but he is injured that often that you can't help but wonder if all the past injuries are making him reluctant to ever risk a game here and there. With modern sports science I've no doubt he is categorised as high risk and therefore the medical team won't take any risks whatsoever if he tells them he's not "feeling" fully fit.

Ayala is not a 'coup' for this club. It is exactly the type of signing we should be making. I do wish Mowbray would stop talking about us like we are a small club. We are bigger than Middlesbrough.

Lowe is the archetypal Sunday League player. I get pissed off when I'm watching sunday league football and the bloke who is pissing with sweat, lunging into tackles and knackered is being lifted to the heavens by the sidelines for his effort. Then, when he finally gets the ball, he's that fucked he gives it away. Lowe is that guy. Every Sunday League team has the "harrier" in the middle of the park - usually one of the worse players and gobby. Only problem is Lowe was professional, and you need to be able to pass and move and dribble in professional football. Sadly, he couldn't. Salford is his level, fair play to him too, he chose the club with the easiest route to promotion, highest wages and best facilities. Probably about right.

I don't even think there is any discussion about Dack coming straight back into the squad is there? He scores goals, and that's a damn good trait to give away. I think Dack, Armstrong, Brereton, Dolan, Chapman, JRC, Gallagher can all operate as our front 4 or 3 if you will. Whilst you have Holtby, Johnson, Evans, Travis and Rothwell as the middle 3 or 2 depending on the game. Seems clear cut to me. If Dack starts then he plays centrally and up top, but his game relies on the likes of Armstrong, Gallagher and Brereton winning the ball for him and putting it in behind the defence or the wide players putting it across the box low. Graham will be a big miss to Dack's game but if he is as good as we think he is he'll adapt. Dack in behind Gallagher and Armstrong is a good set up on paper as big 6 foot Gallagher should be winning the ball and holding it up for the likes of Dack and Armstrong to play. Unfortunately though Gallagher doesn't strike me as wanting to be that guy.

That's a good deal for the youngsters. It's a risk free move to buy them a ticket in that respect. You can't help but feel the young adults have been hard done by. They have a reduced ticket because of cost associated factors with that 'demographic', and are basically being asked to risk 100% of their ticket price whereas the rest get a fairly decent saving back. As always though, there's always going to be one group that is left out.

Yeah, it effectively leaves you liable for £230.23 loss given you are leaving £10.01 on the table every missed home game with the potential for all 23 to be missed. For what it is worth I would be looking at buying the £269 if senior or £399 ticket for adult. Losses are fixed the same regardless of the pricing structure so if you can keep an extra £100 in your bank that's a winner. How will this work for "young adults"? Will they receive any recompense by the club? A young adult ticket is priced as low as £179.00 which would mean that should all 23 games be cancelled it would leave them effectively owing money to the club (if iFollow is priced at £10.00 ea). So if the same arithmetic is used a young adult can expect to receive absolutely no discount from next years ticket even if he/she can't attend any game, and be expected to be held liable for the same amount as an adult / senior. The only benefit they receive is that they would have saved £51 by only buying the cheaper ticket, but you would assume the club would at least reduce the £10.00 a game iFollow pass accordingly to give them the benefit of the club credit others are getting.... Effectively Rovers / Waggot are asking fans to risk £230.23 for the chance to stream every game. It's a hella price to pay in the current climate I have to say.

We will agree to disagree.

You'd have to factor in the discount you get back, as it may make the loss more tolerable. By my reckoning for a £499 ticket you will get a discount of £11.69 each game given to you in 'club credit' if you will. So if we play 7 home league games between now and then you will receive a credit of £81.83. Still leaves you short about £60 quid but may be a bit easier to stomach if you are really desperate to guarantee a spot.

And Holtby played much better and had more of an influence. I think he had a bad game, that's all Joe, I'm not interested in the whys or hows, just that, imo, he had a poor game.

Does the £140 loss take into account the refund provided in club credit? That's a hefty loss otherwise.

Welcome to modern football. I read the other day that there was 2.1 trillion floating around the football industry. Which, put into perspective, the UK GDP is 2.8 trillion. It makes you sick to see a football club around since 1874 has been wound up for a sum of money that a big club pays out weekly to at least half a dozen players on their books. If you ever need evidence of the money not trickling down see here. Fans of UK football should boycott the Premier League but sadly it will never happen. We are a nation of football lovers, and sadly it is easy to capitalise on that with good broadcasting and mega talent. You have to feel for clubs like Macclesfield, and wonder when it will start to envelop clubs the size of ours. Can't be long. We are well on our way to a NFL style system, big city clubs, only one huge league and plenty of money to be made everywhere.

We must have put our fair share of crosses in the box yesterday but sadly to no avail. We need a striker who actually wants to head the ball in. I like JRC and think he has a future here, just thought he weren't up to scratch yesterday and played the worst out of our attackers, save Armstrong when he came on.

Yedlin, Clarke, Manquillo, Longstaff, Fraser, Almiron, Joelinton all started. All have lots of Premier League experience. They finished the pitch with their best player Saint-Maxim on. Murphy who came on is a regular player there too. But of course we didn't face Shelvey, Hayden, Lascelles or Wilson. There were a few out but the ones who stepped in weren't reserves, they were squad players with plenty of first-division experience.

Football is a funny old game. I thought we dominated Newcastle but in typical Steve Bruce fashion they caught us on the counter a couple of times. Unfortunately for us it was Ryan Fraser on the end of that pass and not any of their other strikers. One of the poorest teams I have seen us play in recent memory, unless we made them look that way. Not buying this reserves malarkey. One or two second string players in but they had the likes of Almiron, Joelinton, Fraser, Longstaff all starting. We came up against a Premier League team on their own ground and ran the game. My criticism is that we were too slow on the ball. It allowed the team to get back, and again with a Bruce side that means two banks of four and difficult to break down, with a quick attack ready to pounce on the ball into space in behind. It's a tactic as old as man and has forged a career in management for the Potato man. JRC was anonymous yesterday, and you felt the pace of Rothwell and Dolan passed him by. It will happen with youngsters though. Buckley looked good when he come on, and you can tell he is ahead of other players. An example of that was that little pass he made to Nyambe late on, just in front of him and ready for him to whip in first time. Nyambe was on the back foot expecting a pass to his feet, which was the easy amateur ball to make, but should have been awake to Buckley's vision. I actually thought Brereton had a good game by his standards. He beat a few men, played a couple of good one-twos with Rothwell in the first half that culminated in shooting opportunities and put himself about a bit. I fancied him scoring that last minute chance but once again far too slow on the ball in the box. Keep trying though, because he's shown more endeavour in his appearances in pre-season to now than he has in his previous 2 years. Ayala won't go a miss in this squad but other than the goal the defence didn't put a foot wrong. I like how high Kaminski comes up, plays as that extra defender when we have possession. Could have done better for the goal but he was onto a loser really. It was piss poor by Nyambe for not following his man and trying to play offside. Last point would be that just before the first half ended Almiron broke though and I called it that he'd send Lenihan packing. Sure enough he did. For all his good points Lenihan turns like milk and when a forward runs at him you fancy the forward every time.

Can someone remind me again what it is Middlesbrough have done in the past 30 years? Some mind boggling comments on their forums about how this is a downward move for him. Last I saw we were finishing about the same as them, same level of crowds (the lowest level in my life for us I may add and partly due to owners) and we have spent and continue to spend far less than them. They were winning Division 1 whilst we were winning the Prem. That's about the only good fact I can tell you about Boro.. Oh they had Juninho play for them once. Yeah, I remember....

Gew on Tony Great signing and just what we needed. Tosin who?

And thought a 3 yr deal for Ayala was embarrassing. Bloke is a clown. You are supposed to be running a live story on the transfer and you don't even know his age. Fat fud.

Who cares? Why does every little bit of an opinion require a fecking bibliography on here nowadays. Chill your beans Hoochie

You have a real beef with a few posters who post their snippets on here. RovingRover put you straight on the whole ITK shite yesterday. Re-read it. No one is looking for credit or pats on the back, they are offering information to fellow fans on a fan based forum for the club they support. It's a helluva lot better, engaging content than is provided by your debates on tactical 'deficiencies' or otherwise. This thread is all the better for posters like RovingRover and this forum is better for having them. As said multiple times, in an era where we get scarce media coverage, any little bit of information is appreciated. Cheers. Pats on the back all round. It's great being IN THE KNOW.

I think the discount pro-rata from next seasons' ticket is a good idea. He must have been reading my excellent posts. I don't blame him, I'm shit hot. My only hope is that he doesn't do what most businesses do, take the pro-rata saving issued to each person, and increase costs accordingly to recover. Wouldn't put it past this shyster in truth.

Yeah agreed. In truth it’s hard to know either way because we aren’t privvy to the full details. What we can agree on is that Waggot has acted in a way that isn’t befitting of where we see Rovers as a brand. That isn’t a surprise though given his remit is to care for the accounts and to hell with customer relations. At least that’s what you have to conclude otherwise why would he have done anything he has done in his time here?

A post ago I struggled to understand basic English. You'll want to watch yourself Revidge, you give me a bit of praise and you'll have hell to pay with the minions. Before I speak I should point out that I think the club have acted badly with respect to refunds and future ST sales. It seems odd that I should have to point this put but nevertheless... That line in the T&Cs would be my first point of defence if I was Waggott. You knowingly bought a product of me with a very specific attached condition which said no refund will be considered if you cannot attend. I guess, the response would be from yourself, that it was in effect an act of God which meant you couldn't attend. To which I'd say, that isn't my problem. Force Majeure does technically mean that. Within my profession we have seen "extension of time" claims denied because of this. It basically alleviates any responsibility from the supplier, Rovers, to the customer, you, because the ability to provide that service was only taken away by an Act of God, not by Blackburn Rovers FC. In the earlier posts I did come up with a solution which I would assume would be the way forward, which would be that the difference between the cost of steaming the iFollow link (£10.00 per game as an example) and the cost of a Season Ticket sale pro-rata the amount you get (£399 / 23) should technically be the refund given to all 8,500 season ticket holders given the alternative product provided isn't "as sold". In effect that would have alleviated the need for a blanket refund, and allowed cash to remain in the club. In the event of not being able to use the iFollow link then had I been running Rovers I'd have offered a full refund, but the stance of the club is that a provision was made for you free of charge (ie: I haven't charged you any administration fee), and if you don't choose to accept it then that is your fault and you aren't suitable for any recompense. I would assume that by the letter of the law what Steve Waggott has done is fine, but I will concede that I haven't read in detail the terms of service pack you must receive when purchasing a ticket. In any case, any prospect of a court case against the club is dim, as it will have the financial backing of 3 Championship clubs at least who will all be seeking to assure themselves a court doesn't rule in the favour of fans and urge refunds. In which case you'd be looking at all 8,500 fans looking to receive at least £50 back which is a very costly exercise.

I didn't think it a terrible performance, and it was nice to see Johnson not make a mug of himself as usual. I'm certain he started well last season though so let's give it a while before I praise him. Unlucky to lose really but it will continue in that fashion whilst we have the back 4 we do. Lenihan flatters to deceive sometimes, and our team never looked like flying in front of the ball to stop a shot. It's a bit too passenger for me at the back, but tell us something we don't know. Up front it was a good game and I expect we will see a lot of goals this season, either end. Blackburn Rovers BTTS is a cert bet this year, as it has been for nearly 5 now! Want to see Dolan and Rothwell on the pitch from the start next game, ideally against Newcastle. Let's just go there and attack and see what we can do against a pretty poor side for Premier League standards.