Waggott telling fibs then? But why? https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/17245018.rovers-need-crowds-of-16000-to-break-even-waggott/

Lots to respond to there Paul so apologies for numbering. 1) Please consider yourself very fortunate. My parents can not afford to buy STs (compared to other expenses). 2) Volume. You say don’t drag up Oxford. It worked. Interesting, accessible fixture at the right price. As well as £10 tickets, kids were £1 IIRC. That’s £22 for a family of four instead of £40 - £50. Other “offers” have not. 3) It was an expression. 4) But that is the inference in what you post. 5) It is a perceived tone. OEB perceives your tone to be elitist. It’s not hard to see why he might see it that way. 6) Not sure what you mean by this. The issue is price. Your view is that people should pay because you have decided it represents value for money [to you]. 7) I must have missed the part where OEB has discriminated against the needs of disabled fans so I cannot comment. 8.) Again. To you. If enough people agreed with you we would t be having this conversation. Rovers need to sell 16,000 seats to break even. Rather than look at this in the context of empty seats the current approach of the club directors is to alter pricing for the fans who do attend rather than look at getting some value out of those remaining empty seats. We have more empty than occupied most weeks. The debate is how we increase attendance (without PL opposition). I say price reduction and/or imaginative one-game offers. You disagree. Meanwhile nothing changes. More fans in the ground translates into better support IMHO. That support can be the difference in matches.

The most recent initiative that has worked has been a £10 ticket to an accessible, interesting game. This worked. Since then, for league games, there have been - 6-match deals (at ST prices) - £10,000 draw ST-sales incentive - 3-match deals (at ST prices) These haven’t worked. Yet people seem to think that £10 match deals aren’t a good idea and are at pains to prove that. The underlying reason for opposition seems to be: why should a walk-on fan get a better price than a ST holder - even for one game? The answer, surely, is that this is how you grow your fanbase... short term impact, long term reward.

I think the point that @OldEwoodBlue is making is a very simple one: £15 per ticket is too much for a lot of people. What has got his nose out of joint - and as always it’s the retaliator who gets a yellow card - is that the answer to that statement seems to be: Tough, go and do something else that is within your budget because I’m happy with the current set up. @Paul I get that you are aggrieved at the perceived tone but equally your post talks a lot about your own circumstances without considering others’. You just believe that your post is more polite while others take offence that their affordability concerns are not shared by fellow fans.

That in itself is a worry. 10 years talking about it and over that time all we have seen is a huge decline combined with - in the last few years at least - constant prices rises. If you remove the Venkys factor, is someone at the club ever going to make the correlation? Particularly after the run we’ve had, we need an imaginative ‘one game special’ not an above-ST-priced micro-season ticket. It’s just more of the same thing that we always get, with a couple of thousand extra to the gate. Plus, if people don’t go to the first of the three then the offer becomes worthless. If Waggott insists that £15 is his bottom dollar walk-on price, and only on multi buy, then fans should be able to pick any three games, or five or even ten (and do away with the half ST concept. With computer systems it should be possible now, it just means you don’t get to have the same seat each game, unless you buy a full ST. At least we’d have bumper crowds for the more attractive games and you could still charge away fans a premium to subsidise it.

I noticed a couple of micro pubs too. One off Northgate and one on KW St. Different culture nowadays though. Young folk can’t afford to drink ‘out’ so pubs won’t set up. And any successful pub gets hammered by breweries for being... successful!

This is the contradiction of Mowbray. He picked out Bauer and courted him for over 12 months then, on the face of it, stood up to the player “to earn his place” (as if getting past Mulgrew was to be such a feat). In fact, hardly any player has got into the team straight away, such is Mowbray’s obsession over players earning their way into “the group”. Yet he lets players run the dressing room and have mini-sunshine-holidays in October while the team is struggling, compounded by a new injury crisis - and meanwhile paying fans sit watching the pissing rain for a week. Out of touch and getting further away.

This is one of the reasons why I don’t like answering when you ask for names. You look for ways to rubbish them as in the above example.

A big part of the problem at Rovers is that the bit in bold almost certainly isn’t true.

A very unhealthy mindset to get into.

We spent £12m on two duds plus commensurate wages and/or signing on fees. Yes, but instead we threw the money away.

Really hope Trav makes it. Even more I hope it’s with Rovers.

You have to blame Mowbray for this rather than Dack. After the last couple of displays they should be in for extra training. Particularly in light of our injury crisis which will need a chance in approach for everyone. Easy Street FC.

We need another November 2017... “Blackburn Rovers' Tony Mowbray has been named the Sky Bet League One Manager of the Month for November. The circumspect nature of Rovers’ play earlier in the season was abandoned in November as Mowbray challenged his side to out-score the opposition. They did it in style, winning all four games with a thrilling 13-5 goal differential.” Mowbray is his own worst enemy. Despite being a defender he has no clue about setting up a team to defend. His successes have come from playing attacking football. Sadly he has thrown all his money at an imbalanced squad devoid of goal scorers. If Rhodes is available on loan he has to take a chance on him because I can’t see him being given the money he should have spent on a player like Assombalonga instead of splitting it to buy to wide forwards.

It will in this weather!

This is why people had and continue to have doubts about Mowbray’s ability to take us forward. Fans could see how short we were at the back but the happy accident of Williams having to be played at centre back occurred and it papered over some huge cracks. I expected one defender to end up injured - in all honesty Lenihan - but losing him and Cunningham is a huge blow. Season in tatters by October. If the play-offs weren’t the target this year and Mowbray has a further 2-3 years to rebuild then it’s a false dichotomy as players will come to the end of contracts before every piece of the jigsaw is in place and a team can gel, and then we have to start again. We had most of the tools already and Mowbray bought extra craft knives when he needed lump hammers. But let’s be honest, the wheels came off when we didn’t take advantage of the momentum of promotion - as a club and a team. And it started when Mowbray nailed his colours to the last with that Charlton game... Let’s hope we have enough about us to not get dragged into a relegation scrap because Mowbray teams don’t have the stomach for it.

Ouch!

? brilliant.

It was bound to happen that we’d get an injury to a key defender. If only someone could have spotted that we needed better depth in defence during the Summer transfer window!

We are possibly at cross-purposes - I’m not sure. If the club were to introduce a flat £249 ST, this should be for all fans - new and existing including long-standing. I would not expect long-standing fans to pay £200 as some kind of loyalty discount. Although that would be grand, I would not expect it. If you think I am advocating us exist ST holders to pay £399 and new buys to be £249, for instance, then no that’s not what I’m saying at all. We need to get new fans into the ground but it needs to be a strategy that offers the same price for everyone.

It wasn’t clear that your pro rata was as a senior citizen just a long-standing season ticket holder. But in any case, should seniors automatically get a discount on luxury items which a ST is? You don’t get a cheaper price on a smart phone. This goes back to days when senior citizens were scraping by on meagre state pensions. More and more pensioners are now on very good private pensions and have enough cash to go on month long holidays several times a year. My Facebook feed is full of them. But I digress. The maths was to compare the subsidy you would pay at a flat ‘cheap’ adult price compared to the subsidy others are already paying towards your lower cost ticket today.

Sorry Paul but that’s such a one-eyed view. I would absolutely support a pricing regime that all adult STs were £249. Why would you think it’s ok for someone to pay £399, an excess of £150 and subsidising 70% of your £215 ticket, but you’d begrudge them (and more importantly new and returning fans) paying £150 less because you had to pay £44 more subsidising them by less than 20%? Time now you and your lad cost £564. Under such a scheme you’d pay £498. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite you face!

I’d be very frustrated with that. But it puts to bed the idea that there are no other managers out there.

Still scored more than Ben Brereton. You may well be right but he was handled badly by Mowbray and his confidence will be shot.

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. But know this, on this forum when a poster calls us “Blackburn” it is usually spoken by non-Rovers fans - especially fans of local rivals. It’s virtually an insult. Go and type www.rovers.co.uk into your url bar and see which club you get - or @rovers or @onerovers on Twitter. If you persist with calling us “Blackburn” then you are outed I’m afraid.