Very often? I don’t remember ever, not even for a single second, watching Brereton play and thinking: that’s why he cost £7m. I just think Mowbray had the money, it was spend it or lose it, and Forest has him by the short and curlies on deadline day.

That being so, and given that we know Mowbray continues to play players out of position to the detriment of both our league position and their own development (and value), should we not still try to get in a different manager - even if still from the same stable. I can’t imagine Brereton or Gallagher’s agents are particularly happy about the worth of their own players! May as well use the system to our own advantage.

Thank you! It’s so irritating to hear people put our club down as an unattractive proposition yet big up the manager and ingratiate our owners. We are still a big opportunity and if Mowbray walked tomorrow there would be no shortage of applicants. We have the manager we have because of a lack of ambition, and because the owners seem to think that paying a manager a high salary is money wasted. (I wonder who filled their head with that nonsense - probably the same people who think that money spent on agency fees is good value maybe). If people think Mowbray is the best man for the job (which is getting this club promoted - or at least challenging to) then fine - although I’ve yet to hear a good case being made. It really grates when the only thing offered is a negative idea that this is the best we can hope for. Which is precisely the attitude that is keeping the current board and management in situ.

Not worth a new thread and linked to our whole set up - including manager... So far out of 44 respondents in the main Rovers fan Fb group, there is an overwhelming majority who want Venkys to remain our owners. These people have the club they deserve. I presume this is why they are satisfied with Mowbray - keeping us on a steady course while we drift towards a huge waterfall. We are totally at the mercy of Desai not waking up one day, looking at the total debt and saying “that’s enough”. When that happens, will these people be shaking buckets in town on a Saturday afternoon or watching Liverpool on Sky-VAR TV? Oh for the days when people at least put up a fight. Fans have truly been defeated and our crowd numbers show it. I hope people remember this the next time Waggott crows “we’ve done everything we can”.

Three players we miss when they don’t play... Dack Travis Lenihan

Really hope we get a couple of decent kits for next season. The last few years have been garbage - home and away.

It’s Stockholm Syndrome is what it is. And very short memories. And apathy. ”It’s only a game, eh?”

It’s precisely because of Venkys that we could become the next club in dire straits. Thanking them for that seems just a little odd.

What a shame they don’t involve any payback on a football pitch.

For what we paid for Brereton and Gallagher, excluding wages, we could have had a Bielsa for two years...

Leeds are just another piece of the TV-League jigsaw falling into place. And finally with VAR they have the ability to match-fix-in-plain-site to ensure certain teams prosper.

Coventry, a club badly hit by Mowbray’s time there, have just been promoted as champions of L1. Interestingly 7 more points than us having played 10 fewer games. I wonder if Mowbray taking us below them next season would be an awakening for any more fans? It would certainly be symbolic.

Welcome to Blackburn Rovers. Happy to fund millions of pounds of losses season after season but don’t have enough money to pay off and replace a manager. Sorry but if that is true there ought to be an investigation into the running of this club, as there are only two rationales that makes sense. One of which is utter incompetence and the other...

It’s actually a real shame when very committed, honest players continue to be picked after their abilities have gone on the wane. It’s especially worse when they are played out of position. It’s even worse when the position they are picked to play keeps a better player out of the side. Playing him at full back makes it seem as though full back is an easy job and it keeps them involved (the parallels with Lowe are startling - although at least Bennett has had a decent career at the highest level) when the position is actually really difficult and needs a decent player. I suspect there is more to Nyambe being dropped than simply to play Bennett but he still shouldn’t be in the starting XI, let alone in a team with any play-off ambitions. The fact he is captain undermines other leaders on the pitch but it’s almost as though he is there because he is unlikely to complain, leave or get injured. There is a role for him but it is in midfield and it is from the bench.

He was well liked at West Brom because he got them promoted as Champions - the height of their success since the 60s. He did that by playing a brand of football that he has since abandoned and (as a result) been an abject failure everywhere else. His record is buoyed by his time there and at Celtic (where incidentally, by their standards was an abject failure). Our team and squad are crying out for a manager like Mowbray used to be instead of the one he is today.

It’s just so sad that we end up stuck with the likes of Bennett, at the latter stages of his career, because of his versatility and commitment over the more able, and more potential in Nyambe. This will happen when you have players (and agents) with more ambition than the manager. Also interesting in @Miller11’s recent post about the stable that Mowbray and most of our managers have come from. Is this Venkys doing or Suhail’s? Ignorant owners? Opportunist ‘advisers’? Board members promoted beyond their capabilities? Comfortable, autonomous manager? It’s pretty inevitable we’ll end up with those players happy to pick up a salary and lose the ones with more ambition. We need a real, positive event this Summer (and I don’t mean a pop concert). Get in a decent keeper and a known ex-PL striker to replace Graham and we’ll make do with loans, youth and frees.

If only we were one of those clubs with rich owners. ?

The thing is, you ask those people to give a reason why Mowbray makes a good Championship manager and they’ve got nothing. I’d be happy to debate his positives for a club that needs promotion to survive long term. Anyone got any?

Now, what does that remind you of... Josh King, Tom Cairney, Jordan Rhodes, Grant Hanley, Scott Dann, Rudy Gestede, Marcus Olsson. And we got nowhere near the play-offs. How many of our current players will go on to play at a higher level than the manager? It doesn’t matter how what potential the player have are if you have the wrong manager. Meanwhile some folk think that staying up is something to brag about!

Nonsense again. He does it though because he can. Who does he have to answer to? He’s going absolutely nowhere is he. Having no fans at these final games of the season has worked out well for him. There have been worse times than this, no doubt, but I can’t ever remember feeling this apathetic about it all. Even under Kean there was a spirit and a fight about the fanbase. Now there isn’t even that. Mowbray is the height of ambition for many. Or they make that the excuse because of Venkys. A change is needed, if only to give fans a little belief that somebody somewhere is demanding better than this.

I remember thinking exactly the same at the end of our closest season under Bowyer once the season had ended (for our hopes). Play the youngsters! He didn’t. Finishing as high as he could to show the “progress” to Venkys was more important to him. Let’s see if it’s any different this time around.

This is exactly what it is.

No, I’m saying that the penalty should not be allowed to be “applied for” if and when it suits an individual club. It should be a deterrent, not an opportunity to be exploited. In such a case, it’s no longer a penalty and they could actually be rewarded for financial mismanagement while other clubs who play by the book and pay their suppliers take a fall. I hope Wigan get their comeuppance.

It’s very different. Rules were introduced to put a date on clubs being able to go into admin for that exact reason. It stops such tactical defaulting on creditors while ensuring they can be mathematically safe first. Points deductions have to be meaningful. You wouldn’t be so blasé if you were one of their suppliers.

Any punishment should have an actual negative impact on the club. With no prize money at stake between 7th and 21st they will not have had any punishment. Of course by the time it’s our turn (and it will happen) they will have changed the rules to recognise this. The current view that if they were in the bottom three it would apply next season means its either no punishment or double punishment. Whoever makes up these rules is basically giving a huge loophole to teams to encourage them to take their chances and break the rules anyway. FFP is the biggest joke in football.