But plenty thought he would go for much more money in the future. A poor decision.

But we've still lost a lot of money haven't we?

OK--I forgot about that but its interesting that you expect the same outcome as with Raya. Suppose we can borrow a right-back from Div1!

So we ignore the fact that Arsenal are apparently prepared to pay much more for him, console ourselves that we got a good deal and happily sit back as Brentford get more than us for doing less? Moreover, this was eminently predictable but we went ahead anyway without having a permanent replacement!

Once again. also after Mowbray publicly and regularly shamed him as being responsible for the problems of the whole defence. He didn't public castigate anyone else as I recall.

Look back at the thread a year ago. Plenty saying it was a really dumb move and predicting exactly what seems to be happening. I was one of them. So let's not rewrite the history of this MB!

Its a terrible result. We had him from being a kid, brought him through to 1st choice and then sold him for £3m, which we squandered. We certainly didn't bring any long-term benefit to the club. Meanwhile Brentford have had him for one year only, will make 4 times as much as we will and use the money to strengthen. We are amateurs at this game---mugs in charge.

Until we have that replacement,I think we are a weaker team. You could throw Cunningham into that mix too, in that we are comparing players/squad at the start of the season. And let's not count our chickens (no pun!) with Kaminski. We don't k now how that will work out do we? And we still need a stand-in for him anyway!

With Brereton and Gallagher?? We'd better hope Arma starts well.

Sophistry. If the injury occurs during the season you can't solve it because the window is closed. As for your reference to Bell, I agree so why is he first choice left-back? Proving my original point I think.

You think we won't get injuries and suspensions then?

Sorry----- Paul! Obviously! No-one has ever accused you of being ITK Rev!!

No but you do have a superior ITK attitude which gets up my nose.

General consent on here before the window opened was that the squad needed 6 players or so. And it did/does. Since we haven't come anywhere near that by the opening day of the season, I have no hesitation in saying that this transfer window is yet another failure, our defence is worse than last season, therefore we have no chance of promotion and we are looking at another season of tedium. It could get exciting if we fall into a relegation battle but I'd settle for tedium in that case. Really,really disappointed and must want my head read for expecting anything else.

All I can say is that, if he does want promotion, he's going a funny way about it! He certainly doesn't want it as much as I do.

The alibi is already written!

Weather forecast?

All true and look what we did with it! Got a temporary replacement who was worse! Genius! iI I were singled out week after week for the failings of the whole defence I'd want a move too!

So bloody what? Plenty of us said it was a mistake to sell him last summer for £3M and that he'd be worth more in the future. You didn't think that though did you?

Not this summer either.

Don't worry, the floodgates will open!

He's often got it wrong---you can't just look at the ones he signed, you also have to consider the ones he didn't pursue or missed. Particularly true of defence. The results have been very ordinary----never threatened the play-offs and finish around halfway.

Yep. I'm convinced it will happen at some point. The longer this goes on the fewer supporters there will be left in a rebuild.

We want and need to sign several players pretty bloody quickly. Waggot and Mowbray have always known when the season starts. You can't possibly spin this fiasco into some moral crusade on Rovers part. Its incompetence.