Draws won't keep us up we need to be out trying to get as many wins on the board as soon as possible. Home game first day of season against another team with problems. Go for it.

I think i'll go and insert cocktail sticks dipped in vinegar into my eyeballs rather than read the LT comments.

He won't know that though to them a crowd figure is just a crowd figure.

Park probably has his own little network of scouts and agents so it's probably a sub contracting out job again. Not paying as many wages to full timers but get invoiced more when they do actually bring in a player. That type of thing, which makes a mockery of what they've spent the last 3 years setting up and spending on.

It's always organic at Ewood and always has been. I hope 10k turn up and get right behind the team and of course there'll be chants of TMB&WA because it's all fans chant these days really. A lot don't know anything else it's the go to song for family types/kids etc. The real jury are the ones there and the real voters are the one's with feet who aren't. Various reasons for non attending but despite any excuses from anyone at the club the main driving factor is the product and what's going on around it. When fans are pissed off with everything a lot don't go, no getting away from that. So people will be there and they'll be behind the team the way it should be. Only difference is it won't take long this season for those responsible to be made well aware they are being held accountable should things follow the usual pattern.

Don't think it's a case of getting money back, certainly not short term. More one of we've dolloped more in than we would normally do recently so there's no more till next summer. So in the meantime you have to find the shortfall yourselves, hence the panic. Similar to what happened before and a result of no real planning, piss poor execs and miss firing manager. All combining to leave a clusterfuck only drastic action will sort out. They are all culpable but they don't suffer it's just the club and fans yet again.

Of all the overpaid dossers we've had on the payroll and some of the crocks we still retain it's a bit odd to have a pop at Dolan. He's the absolute least of our worries and if he slides away it doesn't really matter it was no real gamble. I don't think he will though i think he'll just be one of those players whose form fluctuates wildly.

Could they be sending a couple of million a year from the main corporation through the club to stash in Switzerland or somewhere ?

It drove a few i know into the arms of non league football.

He knew how to work the system to benefit his club and himself. Old school honor amongst tea leaves you could say. The one's who replaced him were very much the modern breed. Just out for themselves no matter what.

I thought we had a style of play and systems that fit that ? It's called possession football and they've wasted the last 2 seasons implementing it. What is the point of signing players that don't fit that ? Like Ayala for example... Mowbray is just so full of shite it would be funny if i wasn't a rovers fan.

So much of that over recent year is absolutely needles though. I presume also that the wage bill covers everyone's wages not just playing staff. God knows who is actually on there and how it's distributed. The wage bill doesn't just bloat itself it's the one's who keep bloating it and allowing it that are the real problem. An example - Stuart Downing must have cost around 1.5 million minimum in his 2 spells with us. For what ? Absolutely needless, pointless manager driven signing. All that is in the 190% and that's just the tip of it. We can cut our cloth accordingly if the right people are tasked with doing it, they aren't.

They have the excuse that messing with cutting trees back and altering electric things costs money. Soap and water however doesn't and i'm sure they've a stiff brush lying around somewhere. Thing is it just won't register with those dweebs that half an hours scrubbing once in a while might make it look like someone cares.

How the fuck can the suits drive past that eveyday and not feel ashamed. For gods sake all it takes is soap and hot water, just shows they've no pride in anything at all. All just a wage as they trudge drearily in everyday. Sickening.

When did boro fans have Venkys to deal with ? One of the best local owners in the division up there they haven't had all out war with a foriegn conglomerate. I love how people just leave out facts then make out as if 10k Rovers fans upped and left because we don't win every week. By the way, Boro were getting 13/14k when the local hero was weaving his magic as manager. Maybe that is a contributing factor instead of the bad bad fans tiresome line of blame.

Hopefully not but getting that money for a 3 million signing and wiping out the hole in the books in one swoop. The one you've helped create but basically you've paid for it and covered your own arse. Strong bargaining chips when dealing with the clueless. I think in their eyes it might be akin to Anderson & Kean getting 16 to 19 million for Phil Jones. Basically getting the purchase money for the club back.

This x100 What we now see it the end product of his so called building the club to challenge the top 6. I can't understand why his groupies can't accept these facts but his old boys look after everybody mentality has left the club having to slash back anything with a pulse. Even worse he's had a 300k a year Chief Exec overseeing it all. Yes we know management isn't easy.No guarantees it wouldn't be similar if someone else had been here. However the complete lack of accountability is a disgrace. The covid situation has clearly pushed it over the edge and exposed how flawed it's all been.....again. We know the ownership is at the tip of everything wrong but in the last FFP cycle they've paid so called competent people to manage it differently than before. Those people have blown their own trumpet enough.

Knowing this was coming going way back then i could be forgiven for thinking they might have had their eye on 1 or 2 as a long term replacement. Obviously if you don't know what might or might not be made available to spend it makes it hard. It doesn't stop you identifying and scouting what might be suitable affordable targets though. That is where planning comes in and communication with the ownership. We have now a CEO and manager who have been here years and got continual backing. We also have a go between from the owners to here, allegedly. So the chain is there and if you don't get answers then demand them. I suspect that is where it all falls down, everybody just shrugs the shoulders at each other and carries on picking wages up. Dilemmas like this only get dealt with if and when they actually happen so that's why there is so much short termism. Most transfers are done with a deposit and stage payments. We've signed plenty before under Vs so it really isn't as difficult as it's made out to be. The whole football industry revolves around it. You are right though we need quality from somewhere just to guarantee championship football again.

If this goes through i can actually see Rovers pulling off another Elliot style loan or 2 on the back of it. The masses on social media will lap it up again (masses who are somehow absent from Ewood on matchday). Yet they will be missing the point that even these things probably cost the club a million or two. Dead money straight through the tubes that once its gone - like the STC- it can't be spent again. Yet on the face of it it glosses over long standing problems again with short termism solutions. Something Mowbray seems to specialize in over the last few seasons. Talk of signings in January given our track record around then even if there was money is futile at best. We know the drill 'no business being done' 'not much about so stupid prices' 'asking for crazy wages' 'wait till summer, stay up then explore the freebie market' and so on.

Within about 12 months of selling Rhodes we were well on course for league 1. Yet at the time of his sale some were convincing themselves the team was about to play better. The money was getting re-invested in all sorts and this was the catalyst to kick on. How many kicks in nuts do some need before they guard them next time.

Where we once used to be distraught and wear black when our star player was being sold we now have twitter where people are 'getting excited'. That sums everything up about the club now, not sure what there is to be excited about the lads going. Just what do they think is going to follow this now in all seriousness ?

How can it be revisionist when it's actually the truth !!! Doesn't really matter if it was in a lower league it showed he knew were the net is he'd scored 20 goals in 40 games. We were in league 1 anyway so it was never going to be a massive step but he carried it on easy enough and he was what, 20/21 ? He'd already proven himself decent at that level. Like i said he's workmanlike but all the foundation was there plus he could be shoved wide left because he was quick and direct. Those are the kind of players we need to be looking for even if they come with contract clauses etc. It's very much the Brentford model. Compared to Brereton and Gallagher it was a superb signing and there's nowt revisionist about that.

One of the reasons Armstrong worked was because he already had experience and scoring pedigree at a young age. He's a workman like striker and no doubt they have put a lot of work into him but mainly it's down to him putting in the graft. As a signing though it wasn't a massive gamble so the lesson is there. They need to replace him in similar fashion.

Probably not although i'd give him a try but god knows what he'd be left with to work with. He'd be a brave man to take it on, what we don't want though is him having to work with the same backroom staff. Lowe and Venus must be gone as well otherwise it's pointless.

Imagine if Mowbray and Waggot are only hanging on so they can oversee one of their major assets move on for money. Get their % if there are any and get their payoff then leg it. We can but dream, of course that would leave us further in the mire but with a genuine chance of a fresh rebuild.