Movement !!! That's the key especially up front, not just this pass sideways and stand there waiting for it back. Where are these first halves normally though ??? Probably because we've finally landed on a team who isn't up for it or expected an easy day.

It'll only be England in a bit if a few either side get their way.

Even Wilcox could bang the odd one on target ! Crazy really when we have talent like Dack in the team and even Downing in the squad. I remember him scoring a few free kicks, one against us in smog land. Comes back again to need a manager who can squeeze every drop out of his squad if you want promotion. Versus one who thinks he can get a championship team cobbled together playing like 1980's Liverpool. Fools errand !

Free kicks and indeed any set piece are totally pointless to this team. I think we are back to days of just 5 asides and short passing drills in trainlng as they clearly work on nothing else.

He's one of the luckiest managers in football yet he doesn't seem to realize it. For the past few years he's literally been allowed to play around with the team under no pressure and surround himself with his mates. Sign his ex clubs cast offs and doff contracts out left right and center because he feels like being nice to players who contribute nothing here but need to continue their careers elsewhere. Unbelievable really and this whilst just treading water at championship level with a 15 million pound forward line. How many times as he told us the time to judge is x,y,z yet when that time comes he just moves the posts. Two weeks ago he said judge at the end of the season, now he's busy removing himself from that scenario and preparing for another summer of sticking plasters on what he should have mended years ago. Game is well and truly up Tony you know it, we all know it. Only journey you are on old son is the final one.

I fear his successor hasn't left school yet he'll be here that long. Couple of wins and new contract incoming. Then the same old stuff for another 5 years.

He's popped up on a few things down the years. All i remember from that is what he kept saying and Tim Healey was in it.

Anybody remember that drama series about binmen years ago ? Tony 'i'm a good lad i am' Mowbray, just in case he didn't mention it.

Be a bit of a coincidence as well if they got 12 million for it 🤔

Wouldn't be surprised at that at all that's why they were trying to keep it quiet as long as possible. Waggot will have somebody primed and ready to jump once the boxes are ticked. He's probably been quietly beavering away on this since he first set foot in the place and clapped eyes on it. Cannot believe so many have swallowed his garbage the shifty looking chancer. We are about to be rinsed again i fear, next up, player sales. Then stuck with Mowbray keeping a squad of kids, journey men and Boro cast offs in midtable for another decade. All whilst we wait for this state of the art facility crammed in a corner to get signed off and turn us into the Lancashire Brentford. Thrilling.

When someone has to keep telling everyone else they are honest and have integrity it means they know it's under question. And they know why, this fella is riddled with insecurities it's always shown in his persistent tinkering and football style. No faith in himself selecting and sticking with a best 11, no faith in them either. Puts his desperation with being liked above the desperation for points.

I'd lay odds it's been cooked up around here then pitched to them back there via the middlemon.

He's a salesman doing a selling job.

Nail on head there, dumbing down of the medical depts and probably physio's as well. Alongside the gambling policy of signing half fit players and looking to rotate them. Also i think young players are always going to be prone to more niggles. Lads still growing and developing into their own bodies is bound to cause stress and strains.

Yep and it's back to 'mutual consent' - Give me the option of resigning before i'm sacked but with compensation and saving a bit of face.

I think we spoke of this on twitter but whilst you might be right there's been little evidence of it in his time at Rovers. Imo we've looked sharper under TM than Bowyers time but that can be negated by the tepid pace of this possession football. Early part of this season we looked fittest we'd been in a while but that was attributed to players still being fit from the summer. Legs soon got heavy and it showed but overall fitness wise and knocks and niggles wise we've never looked better than any other midtable championship side. Not sure why that actually is but it doesn't stack up to being trained by top notch experts.

Can't begrudge a pay off if their on a contract, can begrudge them hanging on for every last penny though. There used to be something called mutual consent. As it goes i'd just say 2 weeks notice from the end of this season and i wouldn't be telling them that until the final ball had been kicked. It wouldn't depend on where we finished either because time for change is here.

Shite performance and one nil win or good possession stats and an odd goal loss ? Maybe bang in the middle and a dour nil nil, point in bag.

Was a decent enough signing at the time, first cash buy for years wasn't it ? Served us well with limited ability but always tried however another sour taste in the exit for me. How many players have we got fit so they can further their careers elsewhere now ? All at a time we need defenders desperately and are losing games yet still paying thousands per week to others. Wouldn't be surprised if he brought in one of the young loans just to cover this so fook off Dereck could sort himself out. If only one of these crackpot MSL teams wanted a manager and coach......

Nothing will happen for years because soon as PP is granted they'll flog the land. Then most of the much promoted improvements and rebuilding will go on ice with similar spin to this journey we are on. This is all about short term cash.

Clubs need a CEO and we moaned about not having one long enough. Directors box at away games and some home games virtually empty. Or populated by a turd from Preston bringing his mates for a jolly up, embarrassing. Lets not lose sight of the past in our frustration. Waggot does strike me as the type who isn't afraid to get on the blower to India. Certain things have sped up since he's been here and we've had some decent windows. Cheston & Sylvester have over seen it before, just yes men though i pressume. THat's why they've lasted so long. Main problem here is when the low end acting CEO is a best pal of the manager and has got his feet firmly under the Venky table. We need a CEO at this club but it needs to be a good one, an honest one with no agency ties and all that. More than anything though it needs to be one who has the ability to drive a club like ours forwards.

When the likes of Di Matteo are available you've just got to be considering and sounding them out. There's been others come and gone whilst we've been being fed the 'journey' line. You might get someone a bit higher profile who'll cost a bit more come in and say sod slow builds give me a 2 year contract, a bit of backing and i'll go for it. We'll review it as we go along. Can't see what there is to lose there as long as you aren't chucking 20 million at them. We are losing money hand over fist anyway and pissing it away on certain players and their wages. We dropped out the Prem courtesy of this lot and their pals nearly a decade ago now and not ONCE have we had a genuine go at getting back there. It's absolutely dire being fed the crap about that being what the owners year on year then never having a go. Then they hang on to the words a manager who to his credit has assembled a decent squad but has no intention of having a real go, just stringing it along because he knows he can't deliver it. All we want is just to have one good season in this division and finish above midtable, in something like 8 attempts !!!

He can't say it's a cost cutting all under one roof job then marvel at a large Premier league clubs as an example. Double glazing salesman. It's a downscale that might pay for itself and realize a nice bit of commission.

We now have people going on saying they should just sell the whole lot and build a new site elsewhere on cheaper land. Honestly i give up, similar yells for TM and his pals and 'all he's done for the club' (like er, just be paid to manage it) . Yet Jacks legacy and all he did for the club can be pissed all over so a few chancers can get kudos from their paymasters and maybe make a few quid. Are they too dim to realize they are being sold a mirage by a salesman ?

Glad you've raised this point which again flies over the head of the 'nice guy' brigade. Been saying all season the squad has still been good enough the odd game aside to field a team to win games against mostly similar opposition. We were still doing ok obviously helped by the crazy early season bounce. Now as more become available we've gone into another tailspin, it's classic Mowbray. The more he has at his disposal the more crazy the selections/tactics and formations get. That's the whole issue with him just too much messing around, worrying about the odd bog standard opposition player and desperately trying to get everybody mins. it's come out in quite a few things he's said in the recent past but doesn't get picked up on. Like he puts players before points and that's why we don't kick on then keep falling backwards. An inconsistent caught in two minds manager is never ever going to fashion a consistent side and results. The evidence with him over his managerial career is overwhelming. Was similar in league 1 but we were blessed with a strong enough squad compared to the opposition to mostly carry it off. I suspect similar happened at West Brom after he inherited a squad with quality already in it. He's been trying to replicate that ever since yet it only worked once.