No defending this performance. Rank bad awful. Nothing else to say really. Feels like they'll get another two in the second half. Just awful. Is this what it's come to being a Rovers supporter.

I'd like to agree rigger, problem is they get flattened easily when young hence the need to send them out on loan to play "men's football" until they mature a bit. Occasionally you find the odd one who can cope at a young age but a team full Dolans and Elliots is an improbable dream and even then they'd likely get the sh*t kicked out of them to stop them playing. There again we might get lucky and produce 11 Phil Jones' I suppose - which would do nicely 😀

Every bad player in the Championship came through somebodies academy Chaddy. Unless you get once in a lifetime lucky like a Scholes, Giggs, Beckham situation then the only route to success is to BUY players who have PROVEN they can do it. To escape from our current situation we need a new management team, new ideas and a proper recruitment strategy. Although proved wrong once "you'll win nothing with kids" is still a truism.

Transfer window closes. Nyambe returns from a hamstring injury. Coincidence. I don't think so.

More likely TM saying to Chapman, "you've under performed consistently. You've got a bad attitude. You won't take instruction. You've got talent but you just don't have your head on right." "OK boss, give me another chance, I did well out on loan, I've learned and I'll get it together this season". "OK, one last chance, don't eff it up. I'll give you 12 months. Go out there and impress me". He didn't impress. TM wants to mitigate the useless wage loss. Chapman goes on loan to a club at his level. As good a theory as any ...

There's no positive spin to put on this cock up of a transfer window but I wonder what I would have done differently. My guess is that Venky's turned the tap off last season and mandated that costs were reduced by a large number, likely something to do with their business cash flows being hit by Covid. We have to respond and choose to sell our mostly crappy players to get the wages down and a bit of cash in. Arma was always going and we should have expected to have some of that money to spend. Venky's say 'NO' and we aren't able to offer increases to existing players who we need to sign new contracts. Also we can't outbid or even compete with the transfer fees and players wage demands of the required new players. "A hard budget is a hard budget, go deal with it", I've been told that many times in my life. Not sure what else there is to be done if we don't have the cash. Still a horror show whichever way you look at it, not sure it's all TMs fault though.

Was Howson offside?

On the Mowbray arguments - I think truth often lays in the greyness of things, rarely is it black or white. Combine views on Venky's and TM. Good Good, Bad Bad, Good Bad, Bad Good. None of these stand up to scrutiny. They're all a little bit shit. Argue away as to where the balance lays. For me TM should go, the fit with us and the club is wrong, end of. Is he a decent human being, yes IMO. Is he bent, no IMO. Does he like everyone else get things right and wrong again yes IMO. I'm not comfortable with the 'everything is shite, start again' view. Things are difficult and things are tough because I cannot see any way that we will become great again and win things the way matters stand. Time for a change is long past. But I don't think it's purely down to having the world's worst manager and the world's worst owners. That's my two pennies worth.

West Brom are kick and rush, flatten whatever gets in your way, shoot on sight. At least that's a plan, we're without any plan at all. Piss poor referee. All round bad day.

Thanks, sounds super techy, any clues as to how to watch this one?

Anyone know how to watch on Rovers TV now that iFollow is gone. When I click buy tickets on Rovers TV the page won't load with a 404 error.

🙂 No but I can see the humour in the suggestion. His first touch isn't that bad, not perfect but certainly not Kevin Davies bad (bag of cement bad). If he's in midfield he's taking the ball shorter from defence not pulling down from a 40 yard pass back to front. Just a thought I had that's all. And no there's no comparison between Gally and Lampard I meant only the position he played and his role in the team. I could imagine Gally there if Rothwell buggers off and we have no cash for a replacement. He has an engine, he's competitive, he can find space, he can score. Certainly something i'd try out on the training pitch. Can't be more wasted there than he is out on the wing.

... and the master of wit and repartee said "f*ck off". It was just a thought, obviously not worth your while to discuss. Oh well back to more interesting things.

Personally I'd like to see Gallagher try playing the Frank Lampard position in midfield. I know they're chalk and cheese but he has the engine and likes to graft, he's a striker by trade so should have goals in him from midfield. Frees up a position for the new guy. Bit of lateral thinking, could be worth a punt. What do you think?

My dad called it 'maidens water', think that was bloke speak from the army!

Oh to be back in Ewood. Just magic. The noise of the crowd. The smiles of those around me, everyone looking happy. Loved it. Nothing much to moan at on the pitch (aside from some crappy shooting). Always felt like a win to me from the kick off. Not often I'm totally relaxed at a game but this felt good. There's lots to work on, lots to polish up but that was a good day yesterday. Feel alive again after 18 months of shielding. Same again next match please boys.

On the Arma situation. As in all other things in life a 'single point of failure' is a disaster just waiting to happen. If he's our only source of goals then if say he gets injured or loses form we are screwed. Makes sense to try to get two cheaper less prolific attackers even if individually they are less skilled than him. If we had loads of money then you'd ADD an extra striker along side Arma to give a bit more resilience. We have no money so in my opinion we should sell and rebuild the forward line. On Rothwell, he has loads of talent and application, he works hard, but he fails the 'so what' test. He earns the right to take the shot, he earns the right to deliver the killer assist yet he doesn't. He does all the right things, gains all the yards and then becomes Mr Clueless. I like both players, they have flair, but they're not right for us. Sell and regroup. Mind, we're talking a Mowbray rebuild which is no rebuild, just more of the same with one guy up front and the latest kid with potential who can't make the grade elsewhere. Only real solution is to change the entire management team but I guess we have to wee with the willy we've got so I'd sell both Arma and Rothwell tout suite.

I'm not blaming anyone. No supporter of the club has done anything to deserve what we have at the moment. My point is that we still have a part to play. Walking away ie not buying tickets is not helping our club. If we buy our tickets and the club goes under, well we've done our bit and we know who's to blame. I've nothing but good to say about our supporters, good sorts all irrespective of opinions on this matter. Please stop setting up this exchange to make it sound like I'm blaming anyone. Buy a ticket, support the club, enjoy the matches and have a good moan on here if necessary, I'm not averse to having a good moan myself.

That setting had nowt to do with me, at least not deliberately. Fixed it now. I see the humour in the situation though. Egg on face 😁

Ah I see, got it. You have to set it to a Stand. No idea how it got set to boycotting. Thanks.

Thanks for the heads up on the Profile. Absolutely no idea how to change it. Dinosaur I'm afraid. Can someone please educate me.

In other words then your stance is to cut your nose off to spite your face. A dead club is a dead club. Show me any finance or economics book that says a business can survive a lack of cash flow. If we stop buying tickets then it will be us who are the mechanism of our own demise. As I said before, no one is going to chase me out of my own club, it means too much to me.

Genuinely don't know anything about that 'thingy'. I've never boycotted. First match I went to was in 1960, never deliberately missed a home game since. Doesn't make me a better fan than anyone else but it gives me a perspective. No bad owners, crap managers or anything else within the club is going to drive me away, it's my club, it's your club. One day they will be gone, God willing I'll still be here. If the club has been driven out of existence through lack of support (no matter how noble and righteous the excuse/rationale) then that's our fault no one else's. My post was a plea for that not to happen. Mock away, you're not going to change my opinion.

If we make a list of what has gone wrong at the club it will be a very long list. We all know the list items, average players, too few players, no transfer policy, bad owners, bad management, useless execs etc., etc.. Ask anyone to disagree with that list and you won't find a single poster on here I wager. So it's not about half full or half empty glasses or good fans, bad fans, super fans or any other muck we want to throw around at each other. There comes a time though with constant complaining when we start to breathe our own fumes. We are where we are, we have no levers to pull to effect any sort of change so it's pointless (IMO) to keep banging on about stuff on that list. Nobody likes it, we all understand it, nobody voted for it but now we have ask ourselves are we still supporters of the club or are we not. If yes then I say do what we've always done, buy a season ticket and moan over a pint at the bar at half time and full time. If we say 'sod that' and walk away then it's a numbers game. If enough say that then the cub will die. Like it or not, through our actions we will have been the ones who pulled the trigger and pumped bullets into the semi conscious wounded old dog which was once a passion for our fathers, grand fathers and way back. The club only survives one way, we all buy tickets. Without this your club is dead, it's inevitable. We have to continue CPR no matter how useless it may seem until someone else calls it. That won't be me. As long as there's a Blackburn Rovers there'll be a me buying tickets. We all want the same things but negativity and withdrawal of funds will not improve anything. We're either fans or we're not. Buy a season ticket or soon there'll be nothing left to bitch and moan at. Just saying.

Loving the name B. B. Diaz. Must be a song we can use to fit that into.