Ref won't rest until we're down to 10 men. He's beyond woeful.

There's only one derby and this ain't it. Just another match albeit they'll have good support being local. That said they're a good aggressive side who'll steamroller us if we sit back. They press high and launch balls into the box. That's our nemesis strategy. Saw their last game and they'll take some holding. End of the day we're THE ROVERS and they're not. 3:1 home win

Famous last words!

Bruisers. That's the formula to beat us. Smash into the player. Smash the ball long and hope for the ball to break your way once in the match. Ref awful. Our first half was a no show. Couldn't complete a pass. Lucky we have Ben on the case. Nyambe? wtf.

We cannot complete a pass to save our life. What's the point of being on the ball if you're doing nothing with it. Why's Rothwell so deep.

Hang on a minute, I AM a fan so I'm not pinning it on anybody. It's just a statement of logic. A club without paying supports is dead. As long as the supporters live the club lives. Taking an interest, looking for the scores on a Saturday night or talking about the club to mates over a pint ISN'T being a supporter. Paying and showing up is. I'm reminded of the discussion about the difference between being involved and being committed. Eggs and Bacon. The hens involved, the pigs committed I'm a pig and always will be.

Whatever the legitimacy of their position and however understandable their pain from the Venky/Mowbray axis some 'supporters' just revel in cutting off their noses to spite their faces. Backing from the terraces fires up the team, fired up teams win matches, won matches promote teams, promoted teams earn pots of money, rich clubs survive. Crappy attendance numbers will kill our club, simple as that. Whatever our take on the merits of the current regime please just get down to Ewood and show up when you're needed ie right now. Your club needs you.

How bad does it have to get before the Venky's actually get off their gold plated cushioned arses and do something. They've abandoned the club and these management clowns can do anything they like. Taking the piss. I can't find a single positive to say about tonight's performance and it's getting to be the same every match now. Somethings got to be done.

Have any of our players heard of the word aggression? Piss poor performance. Just a shambles.

We've all got that sick sinking feeling, there's only one result here.

QPR are pretty adept at leaning in. Refs letting it go but shouldn't as they are clearly fouls.

'One swallow doth not a summer make'. Don't get me wrong I'm not a Rothwell hater. I really enjoy watching him, he's an entertainer. If he goes I'll miss his talent but I don't think it will effect our points total. So much is right about his game but there's still a lot missing and he's too old for me to be saying that and for it to be OK. I know he's got a family to feed and as a professional he has to look after his career but in my rose coloured world I want players who want to play for us, he clearly doesn't, maybe that's colouring my view of him. I'll be happy if he signs a new contract, but he won't will he.

0n Rothwell ... Imagine if a big breasted bare chested lady ran on to the pitch every 15 minutes. I personally would find that very entertaining and I'd look forward to every 15 minute intervention. This however would have zero effect on the game or the final score but it would be a very interesting contribution to the discussions in the pub afterwards. Such is Rothwell's impact. Massively entertaining but without any effect on the game or the final score. Much to be admired about the lad and I'll miss him when he's gone but it will have absolutely no impact on our points or our position at the end of the season. If I've annoyed anyone with my analogy I apologise unreservedly.

Just awful.

No "Arte", no "Labore". What's the latin for "sitting on your arse and sucking your thumb"? Whatever it is it's a good candidate for a new club motto. Thanks TM!

No defending this performance. Rank bad awful. Nothing else to say really. Feels like they'll get another two in the second half. Just awful. Is this what it's come to being a Rovers supporter.

I'd like to agree rigger, problem is they get flattened easily when young hence the need to send them out on loan to play "men's football" until they mature a bit. Occasionally you find the odd one who can cope at a young age but a team full Dolans and Elliots is an improbable dream and even then they'd likely get the sh*t kicked out of them to stop them playing. There again we might get lucky and produce 11 Phil Jones' I suppose - which would do nicely 😀

Every bad player in the Championship came through somebodies academy Chaddy. Unless you get once in a lifetime lucky like a Scholes, Giggs, Beckham situation then the only route to success is to BUY players who have PROVEN they can do it. To escape from our current situation we need a new management team, new ideas and a proper recruitment strategy. Although proved wrong once "you'll win nothing with kids" is still a truism.

Transfer window closes. Nyambe returns from a hamstring injury. Coincidence. I don't think so.

More likely TM saying to Chapman, "you've under performed consistently. You've got a bad attitude. You won't take instruction. You've got talent but you just don't have your head on right." "OK boss, give me another chance, I did well out on loan, I've learned and I'll get it together this season". "OK, one last chance, don't eff it up. I'll give you 12 months. Go out there and impress me". He didn't impress. TM wants to mitigate the useless wage loss. Chapman goes on loan to a club at his level. As good a theory as any ...

There's no positive spin to put on this cock up of a transfer window but I wonder what I would have done differently. My guess is that Venky's turned the tap off last season and mandated that costs were reduced by a large number, likely something to do with their business cash flows being hit by Covid. We have to respond and choose to sell our mostly crappy players to get the wages down and a bit of cash in. Arma was always going and we should have expected to have some of that money to spend. Venky's say 'NO' and we aren't able to offer increases to existing players who we need to sign new contracts. Also we can't outbid or even compete with the transfer fees and players wage demands of the required new players. "A hard budget is a hard budget, go deal with it", I've been told that many times in my life. Not sure what else there is to be done if we don't have the cash. Still a horror show whichever way you look at it, not sure it's all TMs fault though.

Was Howson offside?

On the Mowbray arguments - I think truth often lays in the greyness of things, rarely is it black or white. Combine views on Venky's and TM. Good Good, Bad Bad, Good Bad, Bad Good. None of these stand up to scrutiny. They're all a little bit shit. Argue away as to where the balance lays. For me TM should go, the fit with us and the club is wrong, end of. Is he a decent human being, yes IMO. Is he bent, no IMO. Does he like everyone else get things right and wrong again yes IMO. I'm not comfortable with the 'everything is shite, start again' view. Things are difficult and things are tough because I cannot see any way that we will become great again and win things the way matters stand. Time for a change is long past. But I don't think it's purely down to having the world's worst manager and the world's worst owners. That's my two pennies worth.

West Brom are kick and rush, flatten whatever gets in your way, shoot on sight. At least that's a plan, we're without any plan at all. Piss poor referee. All round bad day.

Thanks, sounds super techy, any clues as to how to watch this one?