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Wasn't Travis's best game yesterday but I thought he was the only one of the midfield who showed any heart or aggression. Showed how we'll be in even more trouble if we sell imo.

It's a good job no-one is accusing him of being involved in the Great Train Robbery then! Completely disagree Mike. I think John (O2G) is a really nice guy and Im sure everyone who meets him will say the same. Nevertheless I dont see how that stops anyone from being able to disagree with him occasionally. I've complained in the past ( and received flak in the past from K Hod) about the apparent lack of resistance to Waggott just saying "Wont" "Can't" "Wasn't aware" or "We'll look into it" to everything at the meetings. According to the official minutes no-one said a dicky bird in response. I can only assume that everything that was said in the meetings wasn't recorded. Now it would appear from the last meeting that in the originally agreed minutes, not only have did we have large chunks which would have painted the Club in a bad light omitted, but embellishments that weren't said added to make the Club sound better. I.e. Pasha supposedly saying "sustainable but with the overall aim to becoming a viable Premier League Club" as opposed to just "sustainable" which was what GM and DM claim. If wondering why this appears to have happened is "a witch hunt" then I'll run down to the shops now and get my pointy hat. We've learnt more from this one meeting than we have from years of Waggott stonewalling questions. But none of it would have come out had GM and DM not dug their heels in about the minutes. If O2G thinks anything said on this thread is factually incorrect or correct but unfair because there's a valid reason for it Im sure he'll give his side upon return from holiday.

Still deeply unconvinced by this bloke. On the evidence so far, looks like he can't get a result when it REALLY matters and can only get one when it doesn't. Comes in. Takes him one full game and about eight minutes of the Derby game to unravel a season of Eustace's good work. Various defeats follow, all involving conceding the opening goal inside the first 20 mins and often far earlier than that. After five successive defeats and a 2-2 draw at home after being 0-2 down at HT, season looks well and truly over. 5 wins, (in what at the time seem to be dead rubbers) follow, which impossibly actually leave us with a mathematical chance of scraping into the play offs on the final day. Final game against a weakened Sheff Utd side we go ahead after about an hour. All of a sudden it REALLY matters again. All we have to do is hang on for the win. But....we concede relatively quickly and the season finally peters out. Yesterday it REALLY matters again, new season, and therefore every point vital. We go back to the previous MO of conceding inside the first 20 mins and thereafter barely laying a glove on the opposition. Really unbalanced squad, no sign whatsoever of the exciting pressing football he allegedly favours. Have to say at this point Im not having him.

Don't think it's as much any one agent in particular now but given the chance as a collective they'll suck the life blood out of you.

I must have been watching a different game. Other than the penalty which the referee got wrong ( and I dont suppose we'll be complaining when we get a soft one) I didn't think he did much wrong at all. Nor did I think it was an overly physical game. It's not a non contact sport yet, at least not in the Championship. Have we turned into a team of whingers like Arsenal under Wenger?

The season's a day old and Im already sick to death of highlighting the chronic lack of firepower in the squad. I was starting to think I was living in a parallel universe with many others saying "Nah, we'll be ok., we only play with one striker, so we've got enough, we just need another midfielder who can double up on the RHS and more centre back cover!" Feel somewhat vindicated after yesterday, we were even more toothless than I expected. Actually thought West Brom were pretty poor, a really good side would have put us well and truly to the sword. At least two half decent strikers needed to supplement the likely output from Ohashi and Gueye imo plus a decent RW to replace Dolan. Not even sure if LW is satisfactory either tbh, De Neve looks miles off the required standard (very strange signing) and I still have the same view on Kargbo that I had within the first 30 mins of watching him play that he has pace but negligible end product. The manager worries me greatly. Has assembled a very unbalanced squad and when are we going to see this high intensity pressing football he allegedly favours? Yesterday couldn't have been more slow and pedestrian if you'd tried and whenever we picked up the ball in the opposition half yesterday the ball invariably went sideways and backwards a couple of times. Great in press conferences but on the basis of the 13 competitive games we've seen from him I think we're being sold a pup.

In my view not, but, there's an offshoot of Kentaro HSH based in Middlesbrough run by a former Kentaro guy Craig Honeyman which has clearly had heavy links to the Club up until recently especially when Mowbray was here. Think they represented him as well.

Your knowledge of the Club is more or less unrivalled Parson therefore I find it very depressing that you're seemingly so accepting of mediocrity (or worse). Why is it " no disgrace" to finish in the lower half of the table? If you're happy with that there's no point carrying on, might as well turn the lights off and lock the gates for good. As you're well aware we've competed and finished far better than that in the pre Jack days albeit under better but much poorer owners and dare I say it, better managers.

Why what's he done other than overhit several crosses?

Not wanting to have a go at you in particular, but can we stop this boring shite about "It's all the ref's fault" - season's barely any hour old. Are we going to have to put up with it all season again? We look absolutely horrendous. That's why we're losing.

Yep, whoever would have thought it?

Nothing whatsoever wrong with their goal. Should have had a pen for the Ohashi incident.

Bit better last few mins but as others have said need to get Gueye on with Ohashi, Kargbo on for De Neve and figure out some way of getting some worthwhile service down the right. We could play until this time next week and not score from open play with this formation. Edit: Looked like a pen on Ohashi though.

Yayyy.......Tronstad touches the ball after 35 mins as well.

Toth again. Christ. Vital interception from McLoughlin. Already obvious we need to play Ohashi off Gueye I'd say.

Oh do give over.

Not a popular opinion on here but I maintain that Toth is significantly worse than Pears. Bugger: 1-0 already. Only lasted14 mins - same as Ismael's first six or seven games.

Bit disappointing. Was hoping to see Wharton starting. Was also hoping to see Kargbo starting over De Neve and no Hedges. The one thing I am hoping is that Henriksson is a massive improvement over (edited) Cantwell Sticking to my pre match prediction of a 2-0 defeat.

This.

Id be quite surprised if he even knew what was in the message. Probably said "Send them a nice message or something" following which some underling at Ewood has cobbled something together using AI.

Nothing concrete as yet, people speculating given the contract situations of the last two and the fact Cantwell has been described as "fit" but "not ready" and left out of today's squad. My own view is we haven't signed Tavares and Henriksson and been strongly linked with Baradji for them to sit on the bench.

Fuck me, that was a non sulking and motivated Cantwell last season? 😵

Neither Leonard nor Cantwell strike me as being Ismael type players, i.e. big strong powerful athletes. I'd really like Leonard to make it, he has a lot of ability imo but he's 21 now and there's only so long you can give him before you say it's not going to work. I agree though, for financial reasons alone you'd have thought the Club would be eager to give him the chance to impress

Edit: Miller has beaten me to it and explained it. Sadly I think it's clear where the blame lies and frankly the Club aren't going to look a gift horse like that in the mouth if they can get away with it.

Sorry to labour this point, but, (if it was him) how could O2G write up a completely inaccurate and/or misleading version 1 in the first place, and secondly, IF version 1 was circulated to the other Forum members bar GM for approval before being sent to the Club, how could they confirm them as being accurate but then also confirm Glen's amended version as being accurate when he (rightly) kicked off about it?