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I'd have more sympathy had he been upset about the club pulling the rug from under him with the sale of Hyam. The board downgraded our defence majorly at nearly every opportunity and the manager pretended he was pleased, without any pressure on those above him to do more for him. The summer should have started with a top centre back coming in. We were linked to a few ambitious ones (probably falsely) and they never happened as per usual. We now have a Hull 3rd choice, playing alongside a RB at CB or Scott Wharton (who previously wasn't getting in the side) - this is the reality; they are either making mistakes or can't manage the workload and the result is a new pairing each week or month. The fans knew Carter and Wharton couldn't play regularly once a week - and even if they could play 90 minutes twice a week, which they need to be able to, I still sensibly questioned in pre-season - were they good enough. Are they? Really? Compared to the rest of the league? I have my doubts. Decent backups... but now nearly all our centre back pairings feel like backups. Gestede, Ismael and Pasha all have to go. Ideally starting with Gestede and Pasha but none are fit for their respective jobs. The minute we ignored spending solid money on a proven striker and a high quality centre back, combined with recklessly selling Hyam - we were doomed. Dolan was never replaced and we instead loaded up on attacking central midfielders - when our best player plays there (Cantwell)... bizarre strategy since we were clearly weak on the wings, needed to replace Dolan and upgrade Cozier-Dubbery and Hedges, adding to that being short of a proven goalscorer and needing more quality in central defence..... Now piece in the Moussa Baradji transfer (for a fee!) and tell me where that fit into a strategy to start the season strongly? It didn't. There was none. Naivety and arrogance led by Gestede. Further to that they bragged about ignoring the loan market, something that has arguably kept us in the league many times in the past. The fact we're now even more reliant on Ryan Hedges tells you all you need to know about our summer recruitment. It's that poor our manager has no idea what his best XI is (understandably difficult when the majority haven't played at this level)... and we can't see where the goals are coming from in any front 3 combination, that simply can't shoot with conviction at goal or beat a man - how was that not showing up in the pre-season data? Yet a need for an injured Moussa Baradji was - along with Henriksson both as competition for Cantwell? Underfunded and not taking the league seriously enough is the theme in the departments that matter most behind the scenes at Rovers. A low wage cap will never work in the Championship if you plan on winning games but yes it will get you relegated - you get what you pay for - other teams have goals and we aren't getting any. The irony is we're over reliant on the one man (Cantwell) that costs more per week than what Pasha is willing to spend. The board, the owners, the agencies and the current manager have all got to go. We are going down and deservedly so for how the club has chosen to operate and hire.

The club’s parent is VLL, a UK registered entity. It has a (very modest) unsecured overdraft from SBI. If V’s decide to sell the club without paying off that overdraft, SBI would simply squeeze the credit lines elsewhere in the group until they got paid. They wouldn’t just shrug their shoulders and go “never mind…” To suggest otherwise I find to be completely incredible…

Glad it's not just me.. Ramipril Rovers, we are here btw..

That's my take on things also. The total apathy amongst a lot of our supporters is alarming. Almost embarrassing.

I get the allusion…but struggle with it; the SBI stuff I simply can’t get my head around 🤷‍♂️

Not if the manager prioritises his own birthday celebrations ahead of crucial game preparations.

Wouldn't surprise me if Gestede ended up with the job such as things are! 🙄🙄

https://www.business-standard.com/finance/news/indian-banks-write-off-rs-1-7-trillion-in-loans-in-fy24-shows-govt-data-124112601126_1.html @Herbie6590 I think this is it.

Just keep taking the tablets....

If the fanbase doesn't rise up now, we never will and -for what it is worth- I have come to believe we never will.

It's in relation to an article posted on here a couple of weeks ago about how the Indian banks would loan large sums of money to wealthy individuals or companies for whatever reason and then when things came to a head they would just write off the debt. I'll have a look at seeing if I can find it again as it was an interesting read. Pure corruption obviously, but you'd have to have the naivety of a toddler to not think that's the sort of world venkys operate in. As for them being just the face of ownership, the last 15 years has had enough mental shit happening to suggest this is at least a possibility.

Certainly not getting sacked if there's compensation to pay for the nearly 3 years remaining on his contract.

Apathy is the word. For the first time in years I didn't even bother to look for the score until after the end of the match. I had a much more enjoyable afternoon than I would have had so I'll do it again next week.

I think he is alluding to the idea that Venky's are not ( never were)the real owners, but Kentaro, now under another name(s). The SBI stuff I don't get...

Harchester United & Melchester Rovers ?

Please could you explain, in plain English, how & why the SBI would have to write off debt if Venky’s decide to sell the club. I am struggling to grasp your logic.

This is a key point. As much I want Suhail and Gestede kicked to the curb, it doesn't deal with the underlying issue. First the remit was to get Kean & Anderson out, then Shaw, Agnew, Singh, Waggott etc... There comes a point where you have to accept that the more things change, the more they stay the same. There has been a conveyor belt of these clowns running through the club from the moment Venky's took over. For as long as they own the club, they will keep employing impostors who can't believe their luck. Any professional with an ounce of integrity and self-respect doesn't last two seconds. Now and again we might accidentally stumble on a winning formula and put on a facade of normalcy... until the club realises we're doing too well and course-corrects into the iceberg.

So was Arnold, Faz, Keeley and Brotherston!

Great 150 years celebration this is turning out to be.

The Loony tune chicken pluckers are finally coming home to roost.

There is a Fans Forum thread…👀

Bumping this to stop comments in the wrong thread…

The minutes?

Went today…a BMW X5 parked in front of us…Suhail emerged from the passenger seat. I’m on blood pressure medication so resisted all temptation to give him what for… Thought we started quite well on the whole, created at least 3 decent chances but when we missed them all we all turned to each other & said “Well we know what’s coming now don’t we?” And so it transpired. Coventry picked us apart quickly & ruthlessly & then they seemed to realise that they could conserve energy & so they stepped off the accelerator and coasted till full time. Rovers in that 2nd half looked like a lower league team away in the FA Cup against objectively more skilful, more experienced and confident opponents. One look at the bench made you realise that options were thin on the ground and our fate was sealed. Let there be no doubt, this club is in the thick of a relegation battle. The stench is all-pervading. I’m no Ismael fan but let’s all agree on one thing, he isn’t the cause of this nonsense & his removal would effectively be shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic.

My friend, we're deep in it already