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I mean whist we were still in the playoff picture last season Gestede actually admitted the priority was not getting in to the play offs but "building" for this season in the Championship! You wouldn't get that at ANY other Club anywhere at any level.

They’re not that bothered, but still going on about it. Aye, alright then.

Yes, he's been really open and honest about Brittain, Travis, the reasoning behind selling Hyam in the last few hours of the window without a replacement, Baradji, Cantwell, why Tavares has disappeared off the face of the earth etc etc......

If we’ve just finished 7th( we should be then going for 6th at a minimum the next season, not selling all our best players and shrugging our shoulders. Not here though, save a few quid and hopefully don’t get relegated in the process. Exciting times, eh?

Massive over-reaction on here, we're 18th! The season could go one of two ways now, either we'll sort the home form out and have a fairly comfortable season or we won't and be in trouble. I can't see us continuing to win away games at the rate we have done recently. VI is fully "aligned" with the "transition" so if we more or less match last season's finish then it can be considered a relative success. If we finish well short of what we managed last time out then it has to be considered a failure. Every other Club in the Country would have been looking to build on last season's seventh place finish, not rip it up completely and start again. Apart from chaddy who seems to think what happened is completely normal, the Club can't expect to be cut any slack for being "in transition" because it's completely self inflicted and a conscious choice.

Do you genuinely believe we are at the "start of an overhaul" which is very much parroting the guff that Gestede came out with, when he also said that the squad is now stronger which I am guessing even you disagree with. 18th probably isnt far off what I expected before the season started. At one point, it did look that such a finish would be beyond us. But 6 points is quite a lot so soon into the season. But I dont think its the platform for us to grow and become stronger season on season. We will probably lose more key players next summer. And we are due another "project" change.

We need a new centre back signing in this window and O'Riordan can come back either in January or next summer to replace Carter in the squad. is that clear enough?

He was literally here last season and was appalling. He showed a poor attitude and lack of work rate and offering nothing in terms of attacking ability. He had half a good season 3 or 4 seasons ago which escalated his reputation but since its been a mixture of not playing at all or being massively underwhelming when he has. I cant get my head around a Rovers fan suggesting his return. Id understand supporters of other clubs without having seen him at their club thinking hes worth the risk a bit, but we need to steer well clear. Albeit replacing Kargbo isnt hard.

I suggested that we will not get what we need in January as is proven by repeated failure You countered that point by highlighting 2 signings (a bang average left back and some cover at centre back) in a window that was the final straw in seeing a very talented manager leave, and also a young lad we had on loan who again barely played. As if that disproves my suggestion than January transfer windows at this football club are anything other than awful. On your first point, no it was not clear to me in the way that you put it as to whether you think we just need O'Riordan back or O'Riordan AND a Hyam replacement. Thats why I asked.

A run of games and his playing history suggests there's something there with a punt.. Cantwell hasn't played in months..

What do you think might have changed in the last 6 months of not being involved with a football club that will have turned Dennis into anything even slightly resembling a Championship footballer? Cantwell shouldnt be let go, hes still absolutely key and if hes fit he should be playing

i agree,though i sometimes sneak a small bottle of brandy in to keep out the cold,purely medicinal😊

what your opinion and post doesn't take into account is the overhaul of the squad and bring in mainly players overseas so you would normally have a drop off in results in that first season After overhauling the squad like we did, and to be only 6 points behind last season points total shows that we aren't doing as bad as plenty would have thought including yourself

Tosh. I assume you take personal responsibility for every failure from other departments at your place of work then? For me the jury is still out on VI, we know he can get the team into a purple patch but it’s not worth much if they follow it up with five straight defeats. I appreciate that he’s not precious about formations or tactics though, he saw that his chosen formation wasn’t effective and switched to one that fit our squad better. A lot of our former managers could learn from that.

Would love to see Rothwell back on loan or a similar type of player as well as a replacement for Tavares, Foreshaw- let them both go. What about Dennis on a free until the end of the season to cover for Kargbos absence? Centre half- a big lad from the lower leagues- Dan Burn was playing down there wasn't he at some point? Let one of Pickering/Ribiero go along with Tavares, Foreshaw and perhaps even Cantwell .. Pointless paying the wages if he isn't playing.. Let Norwich spend silly money in Jan..

I think he would be. Carter is too injury prone now. sad for a player who could have been PL player when he was coming through

Look at what I said. Its very clear what I said RF99, What don't you understand I have already said what I think we need in the January window. was I not clear enough for you? same old generic response time after time cos I won't agree with you spin what? Cos my opinion doesn't agree with your opinion.

Open and honest. Aye, ok. Not said a single critical thing towards the regime since he joined… fair enough, he’s here to earn a wage and they pay it, but open and honest, he ain’t.

Yeah, I noted that right footed pass out to the left flank. Perfectly weighted.

I’m not sure he’d be a starter here if Carter and Wharton were fit and available. Is he a better bet than McClouglin ? Maybe, he’s certainly quicker.

He might be a starter here now but only because we let our best 2 centre backs go and didnt replace them. But either way, it doesnt refute my claim that we dont get what we need in January every year.

I dont think most clubs would go from 7th to 10th/12th and consider that a good season but it shows the direction of travel here. 10th-12th is good but being 18th isnt doing that bad.

If we had the 3 points from the Ipswich game we’d only be 3 points off. However it’s soul destroying to maybe battle our way to safety knowing any of the players who have come good will be sold off asap to keep the lights on. It’s like playing Russian Roulette, sooner or later you’re dead.

He would be starter here and playing in the middle of the 3 man centre back line. Solid Championship player

They were discussing Litherland and I think you're talking about Pratt?