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This is going to be a long season. For a start we have a failed manager who doesn’t appear to be good enough. The first problem is that under Coyle you felt we had players who should be doing better. However this squad is so poor there is no guarantee a new manager would do much better. The second problem is the person who would remove Val is his mate Rudy who comes across as even more arrogant. He is backed by Suhail, who has stuck around through all incarnations of Venkys rovers, so he is not going anywhere. They’ve devised this low budget policy. And Venkys simply don’t care. Our PPG is currently on course to get us to 39 points. You’ve got to be at least looking to get 47+ to have a chance of staying up, and that seems a hell of a long way away.

He will not be sacked. Nearly 3 years on his contract and he wont have a go back like the others have.

The self inflicted managed decline is now clear for all to see. Can't really say anything other than what we are seeing is to be expected, you can't replace all the best players and thousands of mins championship experience overnight with cheap non British imports and expect anything else. As for Ismael he struggled with far better squads than this at WBA and Watford and they were trying for the top spots. He hasn't got the first clue what to do when he's up against it and that is based on more evidence than tonight.

how long will he get,i reckon it will be middle of november before pasha loads the gun,look at our next six games😷😥we could be bottom by then

Does that include season ticketholders who didn't attend?

If we can’t get a result against that Swansea team tonight it bodes poorly for the rest of the season. They were so poor and yet somehow we managed to conspire to lose due to two defensive errors. I think we look ok as a team this season but just seem to have no luck in front of goal or with decisions. Then at the other end every mistake we make gets punished. All signs of a bad season ahead. A big problem is how poor we are outside the first 11. Every sub just makes us worse rather than impacting the game. Kargbo with one of the worst 45 mins in a rovers shirt for some time. The whole place just has a stink to it at the moment from the boardroom to the pitch. Lose again on Saturday and that must be some sort of home record start to a season.

Was dreadful play, followed by more dreadful play by others in particular the lazy Kargbo. Did he? Had one chance and totally blew it leading to their goal. Offered no threat or value whatsoever. Ohashi is really limited but at least the ball sometimes sticks with him.

Could we re-sign Faz and Jansen? 11,013...lowest Championship crowd tonight by a country mile.

They all took us over in different circumstances. Mowbray overtook a much worse squad that was destined for League 1. Beside that one summer when we spent £10m on top of a League 1 squad, like the other 2, the owners fucked everything up. Numerous summers spending little, limits on who we could trade, selling a key player and not reinvesting etc. As they always do. Now we have a manager far worse than all 3 of them, and with the owners still screwing us over.

At least Yuki got his head on a cross and nearly scored.

he did better in the second half,tbh a top class centre forward would struggle in this side,he did ok considering the service and he`s more robust than yuki,who is to lightweight to lead the line

Id like to think most fans do not think it’s acceptable that a crucial training session before a huge game, and after an embarrassing performance, is arranged around the managers birthday celebrations.

If this side becomes rooted in the bottom three I dont think they have the Arte et Labore to fight their way out of it sadly...the body language tonight told a sorry tale.

I actually blamed Gudjonson for their winning goal, really poor to not control in front of goal for one of our best chances.

Absolutely me too

Perhaps if the Telegraph report it as a 2-1 win for Rovers they'll allow Mr Jackson back in the ground.

11,000 including 342 Swansea supporters. Says it all really.

Did Gudjohnsen grow into the game? And Kargbo has no use. Even in the circumstances you suggest, he has nothing to offer. Horrendous player.

I will say it again, Sufail,the Ego and Ismael a total recipe for disaster.You reap what you sow.

Why do we all bother? Because we care/love/breathe our club. Why do they bother fuck knows, but they don’t. Just fuck off!

Really poor tonight. Severe lack of quality all over the park. Apart from Alebiosu the new players didn’t impress. When Tronstad blazed over from the edge of the box there wasn’t a single Swansea player trying to close him down. We lost despite the opposition being poor and disinterested which is a damning sign. Ipswich was an incredibly unlucky incident and it’s clearly knocked any confidence and momentum that we had. The owners and directors deserve every ounce of bad luck they get. The fans don’t deserve it but we have to just hope and pray that each setback is another step closer to a venxit.

Literally a reflection of everything that’s wrong with the club in a single man. Despise this cunt.

Oh and by the way, Happy Birthday.

Sure, that’s why I asked it…………… ”Across the past 10 Championship seasons, an average of 44.5 points has been enough to avoid relegation to League One.”