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Possibly because the Club notified them they wanted Cantwell off the wage bill, so they secured a move elsewhere for him in Jan. Both parties agree he won't play in the meantime so from their point of view he avoids injury and in return we avoid having to pay some sort of appearance related bonus and/or an additional payment to Rangers. I can't see it's that far fetched a possibility - especially given our track record

If we are playing 3 at the back, I still think Pickering is your best bet. He's done it before. However as I heard he was one of the players unhappy with Rudy & Co. back when Eustace left (along with Leonard, Hyam, Travis, Weimann), I think his absence is less suspicious than that of Cantwell.

5000 away fans turning up on a cold Friday night, many paying more than thirty quid a pop. Who knows what the lineup is gonna be, might as well draw the remaining fit players out of a hat. Disaster waiting to happen. I said the other day I would take a point, that was when I expected at least Carter OR Cantwell to play, now we're without both, I don't know what to think.

Yeah he's a human being he ain't doing it purpose this is his career and life and its never really got going so insults are needless. For balance though i think most of it is frustration because anyone with any sense could've predicted this and to not strengthen the centre defence pool after selling Hyam is pathetic. Absolute schoolboy stuff and i lost count of the clowns who said it's fine we have Carter and Wharton coming back.... This is what we are up against at this club now though and all they were likely bothered about is the pennies again. Replacing two good defenders in Batth and Hyam who commanded 10k plus per week with a lad who they thought they'd be selling next summer for good money and a cheap wage local lad. Clowns.

Tugay never won Premier league player of the year or came close to a ballon'dor does that mean he was a poor player?

I think it’s pretty much an instant loss tomorrow. Not a chance we even get something. Story of our season unfortunately.

In other injury news (following Carter's latest injury), Owen Beck has returned to Liverpool as his latest injury, which he picked up during an U21's game against Rovers, requires surgery. Shame for the lad, really good player for us, hopefully injuries don't wreck his career.

I think he made his mind up before his captaincy and it was an attempt to keep him. Plausible

Like I said why ain't Cantwell and his agent kicking up a fuss If he is being left out due to financial reasons? He was available for a modest fee from Rangers yet he ended up here. I think he started the season well but last season he was average not enough goal involvements and I just see a queue of clubs would be in for him,when they would have to pay us a fee and take on his wages. Like I also Said I'm not totally ruling it out, but I think its more likely he actually is injured.

On the 4th of December Cantwell will have been out for exactly two months - allegedly because of what was described at the time as "a kick on the knee". Something is clearly awry even if it's "only" the fact we've misdiagnosed the severity of his injury. The thing that irks me most is (in my opinion) VI lying through his teeth about it and pretending nothing is up. He's the perfect accomplice for this regime. "Just take your £600k p.a. and keep your head down"

We must be the only club that has a worse injury forecast after two weeks of not playing. It is a joke.

Foolhardy, neglectful, kamikaze...and which of us did not see this coming? No wonder people see them, as taking us down by design ( and not for the first time) Fuck off, Suhail the snake and Gaslight Gestede! I see you...

We are fans who are rightly suspicious when things like this arise. We've seen it too many times, something just seems off. Ryan Nelson was made out to be near wheelchair bound, he played for Spurs a few days after leaving. We don't forget!

We play Ryan Hedges there because Pickering, a player who has been a first team regular for years, is being frozen out of the squad due to his wages.

Nothing new about top earning players being frozen out of the squad at this club. I see they've fully committed to the 'model' of 13-15 years ago.

Its very unfortunate for him, he doesnt want to be injured. But he is the very definition of a waste of space to us. He is never fit to contribute, he cant go a week of a training post one injury before breaking down again.

Harry Pickering out for similar reasons I’d wager (we’ll find out on that one tomorrow).

It's either contractual or transfer add on / clause owed to Rangers. *purely speculation

Why sell Hyam in the last few hours of the transfer window without any sort of replacement? In the general scheme of things I'd say that's a lot crazier than deciding you needed to move your top earner out despite having given him the Captaincy (if indeed that's what's happened with Cantwell)

Think I agree with academy football, although the other side is for those lads who can take the workload it turns them into absolute machines Plenty of lads break down throughout their late teenage / early 20s. Unfortunately appears like Carter is one of them. Such a shame, he's a good defender and looked like he was going to be a real talent for us at one time. Maybe a step down to a lower level of football and a less onerous training regime is on the cards for him Calls of him being a waste of space are wide of the mark and frankly insulting for a chap who has worked at the club for over 10 years. Pathetic really

I feel for Carter but i think this level of football and its demands are beyond what his body can cope with. Yet another of our academy products whose body breaks down constantly and i'll say it again, academy football from such a young age ruins as many kids as it makes. I also don't think modern training methods help were high level stats have to be hit all the time often over actual ability and what they can bring on match day. They get too many miles on the clock by the time they are 25, when they should be peaking they are creaking.

You've just reminded me that Pears will be in goal for us tomorrow. Thanks for that.

Hedges is in goal for us v Preston. Pears is up front with David May.

Cantwell is with Player1st agency i think but last summer another agent became involved and was hawking him around. This came to light when he DM'd a fan by mistake. So it's not clear who did the Rovers deal but i think if you throw everything into the mix including our end of Suhail the penny grabber and Rudy the clown it's fair to assume it isn't very straightforwards.

Carter needs to retire. An absolute waste of space. Absolutely unforgivable that we pushed Hyam out, didnt bother getting at least one defender in and then tried to pretend it was all part of a plan. Hard to see past a home win tomorrow especially with Hedges and a jet lagged Miller at the back.