[Archived] Rovers Sold ??

[RevidgeBlue]

Good point but i don't think its even the Blackburn brand that they are considering to buy in on, its the premiership brand thats the key.

They are speculating not on the next sky deal but the one after that. Sky have done a fantastic job of selling the EPL around the world & will continue to expand these markets. Their are hundreds of millions of chinese, Indian's & other eastern countries, all who within the next ten years will be aquireing tv's, satalite dishes etc & sky, setanta & others will all want a piece of that pie. I believe this is the reason for all the foriegn investment in the EPL.

This means that whoever buys Rovers they HAVE to keep us in the premiership & therefor HAVE to compete with all the other clubs on transfer fees , wages etc.

Can't say that i'm happy about us being sold to anyone who's ultimate goal is to make money out of us but to do that they have to ENSURE that we are a competative premier league club.

Excellent post CB, put like that the scenario sounds a real winner.

Without necessarily wishing to disagree with it, but simply acting as devil's advocate:

1) The next Sky deal but one is six years away. If I was an investor in Plainfield I'd want a return a lot sooner than that.

2) If money dribbles away in the form of "Manageable losses" over the next few seasons the next Sky deal but one is going to have to be a real stormer to produce an acceptable net profit for Plainfield.

3) Experience so far has shown us that increased TV money simply goes straight into the players' pockets without making the clubs richer. Although to be fair, players wages must surely plateau out at some point mustn't they? Just because the Sky deal improves every three years surely doesn't mean we can go from expecting the first 200k p.w. player, to the first 300k p.w. player, to the first 500k p.w. player.

Does it?

[RevidgeBlue]

Just for the record.

I came on last week to put a few points right and try to keep people straight. There was a great deal of confusion about.

I don't get manipulated, not even by Mrs Nicko. That is conspiracy theorising gone daft.

The reason the story came out the way it did was down to getting one lead a week ago and then another afterwards. That's how it works.

Maybe the stories are 'pro' and positive, but until we find out otherwise what's wrong with that?

I can assure you that the Williams camp are unhappy so much has leaked - and it certainly isn't news management from this end.

The last piece of the jigsaw will be the plans of the Williams 'Nuttall' team. That has yet to be revealed. And then is the true time to judge.

I think most of the other relevant information has been in the People so far despite various efforts to knock it.

Cheers.

Nicko, please don't take things so personally.

You broke a superb exclusive, (whether or not every minute detail was correct) without which our club could possibly have been been and gone before we got a whiff of it.

At least we've had the chance to air our views. If some people have reservations about the potential new owners (I have them myself) , that's no reflection whatsoever on you.

Please keep any information coming.

P.S. The front page of this week's Sunday People - consisting solely of a headline - "Billion dollar Rovers" was superb. No such thing as bad publicity.

[rovers1993]

someone posted in the official rovers forum that the sun had a thing about daniel williams meeting with our chairman about a 67m bid for rovers. can anyone confirm this?

i do want this deal to finish before mid july so sparky can have some time spending the money.

[modes98]

someone posted in the official rovers forum that the sun had a thing about daniel williams meeting with our chairman about a 67m bid for rovers. can anyone confirm this?

According to the BBC it is in the Daily Mirror, however i cannot find any reference to this on their website.

[den]

.Take over talks

Mirror.

[modes98]

.Take over talks

Mirror.

Wow a masterpiece from the mirror. The BBC gossip column said about as much as that, lazy journos

[rovers1993]

so will we hear if they are going to takeover blackburn by the end of today/tommorrow? i'll gladly welcome any cash for us to compete with spuds and the barcodes

[Billy Castell]

I may be wrong, but this might drag on for a week or two, and that the alleged meeting today is only the opening salvo of negotiations. However, we do need extra £ to compete with Wham, the barcodes etc.

[Hughesy]

Ok very rough and very optimistic but this is what iv thought that maybe potential new owners believe.

The reason that potential owners are looking at us! They must believe that due to the foundations already in place (Top 6-8 squad, Well run club with good management and also top coaching staff, No debt, 3/4 of the stadium is modern and updated, excellent training facilities, top class academy and also the set up of the ladies team) that they can turn us into that 4th placed team that hits the champs league each year.

With all the extra cash floating around the club could quite easily earn an extra £40+ million per year.

(The difference this season in Tottenham in the UEFA and Arsenal in the Champs League (Last 16) was £25 million alone.

Then add to that an extra £15 million in TV money and placing money from next season and the difference in finishing 4th compared to 6th (£1.5 million) That puts you onto £41.5 million extra straight away.

Therefore if the new owners spent say £65 million on the club and then £65 million on players to get us into the champs league and 4th place. Thats a total outlay of say £130 million.

Therefore say in 3 years time for example – you now have a club that have top 4 status, profit would be running at maybe £40 million a year and the brand would be much greater than at current. If you add that to an increased value of the club in terms of the value of the playing squad that you have, new TV deals again (2010) and increased land prices for both Ewood and Brockhall - Then the club must be worth a hell of a lot more that at present.

[Clog Blue]

Excellent post CB, put like that the scenario sounds a real winner.

Without necessarily wishing to disagree with it, but simply acting as devil's advocate:

1) The next Sky deal but one is six years away. If I was an investor in Plainfield I'd want a return a lot sooner than that.

2) If money dribbles away in the form of "Manageable losses" over the next few seasons the next Sky deal but one is going to have to be a real stormer to produce an acceptable net profit for Plainfield.

3) Experience so far has shown us that increased TV money simply goes straight into the players' pockets without making the clubs richer. Although to be fair, players wages must surely plateau out at some point mustn't they? Just because the Sky deal improves every three years surely doesn't mean we can go from expecting the first 200k p.w. player, to the first 300k p.w. player, to the first 500k p.w. player.

Does it?

Lets say your right in point 1 Rev & they want a swift turnaround. All they have to do is skim say £3m a year off the current sky money (lets face it thats equivalent to just 1 poor signing) & then sell the club when the next 'even bigger' sky deal comes around in 3 years for say £10m more than they paid for it. That would be a cool £19m in 3 years. Nice piece of business, but like i said before, only if we are competing in the premiership. Thats the gamble, can they keep Mark Hughes happy, do well in the transfer market ie Nelson, Samba & Benni etc & avoid any relegation battles which would spark off a West Ham type senario were they would be desperate to stay in the prem & therefore have to splash the cash to save there investment.

[Jimbo]

Hedge funds traditionally work on a 20% return, so they'd be expecting somewhere in the region of 38 million over 3 years not 19 million - I can't see Rovers supporting that kind of return, even with Hughesy's fantasies of a regular top 4 spot for us.

[Tris]

Ok very rough and very optimistic but this is what iv thought that maybe potential new owners believe.

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Genius. You work for Rothschilds don't you?

[Hughesy]

Hedge funds traditionally work on a 20% return, so they'd be expecting somewhere in the region of 38 million over 3 years not 19 million - I can't see Rovers supporting that kind of return, even with Hughesy's fantasies of a regular top 4 spot for us.

What do you believe we would need to do to land a 4th spot then? Arsenal have just been weakened by the loss of Henry and Tottenham will weaken as soon as Bent signs, because that means Defoe will be off.

Money men are ambitious. Surely you dont think they would take over and just be happy with 6th place do you??

[Tris]

Money men are ambitious. Surely you dont think they would take over and just be happy with 6th place do you??

So who's gonna tell the ambitious money men at Villa, West Ham, Portsmouth, Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal that they can't all finish in the top 4??

And that Spurs, Sunderland and the rest are categorically banned from the top 4 because they have not been the subject of a recent swoop by ambitious money men?

[Hughesy]

Nobody - that is what all those clubs are striving for. Chelsea, United & Liverpool have the top 3 sorted out. 4th is still up for grabs!

Thats business for you. Each of these big money men believe that they can crack that top 4. Our will just be another 1 with the same belief. Only difference being to the likes of West Ham, Pompey & Villa is that our squad is already stronger to start with. And we already have the set up ready to roll (stadium, academy & training complex etc)

[stuwilky]

Those numbers Hughesy are way off....

[Clog Blue]

Hedge funds traditionally work on a 20% return, so they'd be expecting somewhere in the region of 38 million over 3 years not 19 million - I can't see Rovers supporting that kind of return, even with Hughesy's fantasies of a regular top 4 spot for us.

That kind of return is never going to happen at our club, we would have to win the champions league to get anywhere near that. I still believe its a longer term deal with the 'new owners' having there eyes on how big the prem will be in 6 years or so.

[Claytons Left Boot]

Thats business for you. Each of these big money men believe that they can crack that top 4.

Most of the 'Big Money Men' are waiting for the money to flow in from the present and forthcoming tv deals coupled with the rapidly expanding market in the far east, especially China.

The present Big Four are an almost unbreakable monopoly and the monies that we may have available (should a takeover happen) will not do too much damage other than maintain the status quo, but importantly keep us in the PL.

[yoda]

Most of the 'Big Money Men' are waiting for the money to flow in from the present and forthcoming tv deals coupled with the rapidly expanding market in the far east, especially China.

The present Big Four are an almost unbreakable monopoly and the monies that we may have available (should a takeover happen) will not do too much damage other than maintain the status quo, but importantly keep us in the PL.

Arsenal will not be in the top 4 for the forseable future, Wenger will leave at the end of the new season or sooner

[Fife Rover]

Ok very rough and very optimistic but this is what iv thought that maybe potential new owners believe.

The reason that potential owners are looking at us! They must believe that due to the foundations already in place (Top 6-8 squad, Well run club with good management and also top coaching staff, No debt, 3/4 of the stadium is modern and updated, excellent training facilities, top class academy and also the set up of the ladies team) that they can turn us into that 4th placed team that hits the champs league each year.

With all the extra cash floating around the club could quite easily earn an extra £40+ million per year.

(The difference this season in Tottenham in the UEFA and Arsenal in the Champs League (Last 16) was £25 million alone.

Then add to that an extra £15 million in TV money and placing money from next season and the difference in finishing 4th compared to 6th (£1.5 million) That puts you onto £41.5 million extra straight away.

Therefore if the new owners spent say £65 million on the club and then £65 million on players to get us into the champs league and 4th place. Thats a total outlay of say £130 million.

Therefore say in 3 years time for example – you now have a club that have top 4 status, profit would be running at maybe £40 million a year and the brand would be much greater than at current. If you add that to an increased value of the club in terms of the value of the playing squad that you have, new TV deals again (2010) and increased land prices for both Ewood and Brockhall - Then the club must be worth a hell of a lot more that at present.

Spot on Hughesy! I think you should be part of the Rovers negotiating team. Give JW a ring quick!

No, seriously that is more or less how I see it as well. As I said in my post of a few days ago, I can see the Far East and Middle East markets becoming an obvious target for clubs in the EPL, and Rovers have as good a chance as any other with the right backers and a good marketing plan. Plus if they are seen to be doing well and "on the rise" they will also attract interest from all over the world and the UK, helped by a good mix of players from different countries.

[BlueMonday]

Ok very rough and very optimistic but this is what iv thought that maybe potential new owners believe.

The reason that potential owners are looking at us! They must believe that due to the foundations already in place (Top 6-8 squad, Well run club with good management and also top coaching staff, No debt, 3/4 of the stadium is modern and updated, excellent training facilities, top class academy and also the set up of the ladies team) that they can turn us into that 4th placed team that hits the champs league each year.

With all the extra cash floating around the club could quite easily earn an extra £40+ million per year.

(The difference this season in Tottenham in the UEFA and Arsenal in the Champs League (Last 16) was £25 million alone.

Then add to that an extra £15 million in TV money and placing money from next season and the difference in finishing 4th compared to 6th (£1.5 million) That puts you onto £41.5 million extra straight away.

Therefore if the new owners spent say £65 million on the club and then £65 million on players to get us into the champs league and 4th place. Thats a total outlay of say £130 million.

Therefore say in 3 years time for example – you now have a club that have top 4 status, profit would be running at maybe £40 million a year and the brand would be much greater than at current. If you add that to an increased value of the club in terms of the value of the playing squad that you have, new TV deals again (2010) and increased land prices for both Ewood and Brockhall - Then the club must be worth a hell of a lot more that at present.

Doubtfull if these will be included in the deal and therefore won't be Rovers assets. More likely they'll be leased to the club making your outlook optamistic, as you admit yourself.

[RevidgeBlue]

Hughesey, hypothetically if we were to finish 4th as opposed to 10th that would produce roughly another 3m from the Premiership. (6 places at 500k per place)

If we then qualified for the Champions League proper, (no guarantees whatsoever there) we'd get around 10m and if we qualified for the last sixteen (a very tall order) we'd get another 5m.

So at best that's an extra 18m plus additional gate receipts. And it's an extremely optimistic scenario .

As stu says your figures are miles out.

[FourLaneBlue]

We'd also need to invest far more than £18million (that is on transfer fees alone) I'd suggest to be regularly challenging for the Champions League. Even then it can mess up. Spurs probably spent much more than that last season (albeit recouping money from the Carrick sale) and still only ended up back in the Uefa Cup again.

The numbers don't seem to add up.

[1864roverite]

We'd also need to invest far more than £18million (that is on transfer fees alone) I'd suggest to be regularly challenging for the Champions League. Even then it can mess up. Spurs probably spent much more than that last season (albeit recouping money from the Carrick sale) and still only ended up back in the Uefa Cup again.

The numbers don't seem to add up.

I disagree on the playing side, the figures could easily be much lesser to allow Rovers to make a concerted push for 4th spot.

Bellamy for 7-8m

Midfielder for 3m

right back for 2m

forward on a loan deal

That lot would seriously complement Rovers current squad

[thenodrog]

Hedge funds traditionally work on a 20% return, so they'd be expecting somewhere in the region of 38 million over 3 years not 19 million - I can't see Rovers supporting that kind of return, even with Hughesy's fantasies of a regular top 4 spot for us.

That kind of return is never going to happen at our club, we would have to win the champions league to get anywhere near that. I still believe its a longer term deal with the 'new owners' having there eyes on how big the prem will be in 6 years or so.

I can't see any club in the Prem making that sort of a return. Man Utd excepted but of course they have a huge debt to service.