[Archived] Nicko's Thread

[bluebruce]

I said that because we dont want another perfectly good thread getting locked because of racist talk.

The article says Derby knocked back the deal because they couldnt prove they had the cash so why should we go in with them

Yes well I would worry about that also, but I can't help but feel it wasn't foremost in some people's minds, and that's not something I like to see.

[USABlue]

Fed up of waiting for Williams?? I gave up on that ages ago. Hoping Rovers have too. If he hasn't managed to scrounge the cash together by now sod him he isn't worth it.

[RevidgeBlue]

Your reason for saying that is either:

1) The failure to provide proof of funds when dealing with Derby

or

2) They are Pakistanis.

Kindly tell us which one.

Where to start?

1) Even if they had it, capital of one hundred million pounds is not enough to make a huge difference to us in the long term after taking the purchase price into account.

2) However they apparently can't prove they have any significant capital at all

3) Their identity appears to be a mystery

4) And finally, yes, according to the article, they are Pakistanis. Pakistanis have no history of having any deep seated interest in football and as such I would personally have no confidence at all that if this deal went through that it wouldn't simply be a means of flogging Ewood or Brockhall off for a profit or other purpose. If it was a Pakistani group who were longstanding Rovers supporters that fear wouldn't be as valid, but that would appear not to be the case as they apparently previously bid for Derby.

If I thought any backer(s) had deep enough pockets AND the right intentions it wouldn't matter a jot to me what their nationality was, or the colour of their skin. Kindly engage brain before tossing around thinly veiled accusations of racism in future.

[RevidgeBlue]

It would also seem to be clear that if Dan Williams is indeed apparently having difficulty raising 70m, even if he could initially extricate this sum from his backers for the purchase price, there wouldn't be much ongoing funding for transfers available thereafter.

[Alan75]

Alan75 Jun 18 2007, 20:59 Post #770 |

Another Michael Knighton Saga !!!!!!!!!!!

[Cocker]

And what does David Hasselhoff have to do with anything?

[otto man]

Yes well I would worry about that also, but I can't help but feel it wasn't foremost in some people's minds, and that's not something I like to see.

The Thought police have arrived

[thenodrog]

The Thought police have arrived

I'm certain that it's quite the opposite in this case otto man......

[waggy]

a pakistani consortium taking over the rovers,well that would take the biscuit.first our town then our football club,maybe if we sold curries/samosa's/chapatis instead off holland pies the circle would be complete,heaven help us

[Guest Kamy100]

a pakistani consortium taking over the rovers,well that would take the biscuit.first our town then our football club,maybe if we sold curries/samosa's/chapatis instead off holland pies the circle would be complete,heaven help us

I am very sorry that you feel that Pakistani's have taken over YOUR town, I thought me being born and bred in Blackburn made it MY town as well, clearly some people do not feel this way.

As for the consortium, I too am highly dubvious of this and cannot see it happening. I trust the board and John Williams and they will only sell once they are 100% satisfied that it is in the best interests of the club.

[den]

We wont have this topic used as another racist discussion. If necessary, posts will be deleted and bans handed out. Far too many people wanting to disrupt threads.

[thenodrog]

News from Hell for you Den. If nicko's rumour contains any truth then your stance will be very difficult to maintain.

[Lathund]

Pakistanis have no history of having any deep seated interest in football and as such I would personally have no confidence at all that if this deal went through

New Zealanders have no history of being much good at football, therefore I wouldn't have any confidence in any Kiwi centre halves. Simply because they in general aren't much good, then any individual can't be either.

[den]

News from Hell for you Den. If nicko's rumour contains any truth then your stance will be very difficult to maintain.

agreed that it might cause problems.

I'll do my damnest to keep, or restore [which ever way you like to see it], this site's standards.

[Ben-2000]

We wont have this topic used as another racist discussion. If necessary, posts will be deleted and bans handed out. Far too many people wanting to disrupt threads.

There has been no rasism posted on this thread... people are entitled to their views surely?

If it was any other country this would not be an issue. too many people are quick to shout racism when its anything to do with Pakistani's or Asians in general.

[Hughesy]

Be quiet and get back on topic.

Any news on who the consortium contains nicko? Are they local based pakistanis or from abroad?

[Glenn]

Are they local based pakistanis or from abroad?

I don't know wether to laugh or cry !

[Hughesy]

No you know what i mean. Are they based in the Uk or are they some unknown people from America, Pakistan or wherever! Like the Glazers or Randy at Villa.

I.e. do they understand the premierleague and what it is all about!

[USABlue]

New Zealanders have no history of being much good at football, therefore I wouldn't have any confidence in any Kiwi centre halves. Simply because they in general aren't much good, then any individual can't be either.

Totally asinine comparison.

[Fife Rover]

Well I might as well have my two pennorth before the shutters go up/come down.

I don't give even the slightest consideration to ANY would be buyer of Rovers unless they can clearly show that Blackburn Rovers FC MATTERS DEEPLY to them. In other words they must be able to prove that they do indeed care about the club and its continuing future well-being. I don't expect them to be another Jack Walker; that would be an impossible dream. But unless they can show that their intentions are to support the club financially in a real and effective way and go on doing so for a very long haul, then as far as I am concerned they can ***** off and forget the whole idea. Failure in this test means (for me) that we should stay with the existing set-up, until the the above criteria is met. And if it never is; then so be it!

Whereabouts in the Universe they hail from and what colour, shape or size they are does not even enter into the equation

[USABlue]

There has been no rasism posted on this thread... people are entitled to their views surely?

Yes of course folks are entitled to their view, as long as their views do not include one shred of negativity toward the "minorities" god forbid anyone say anything percieved as less than upbeat about those groups.

However if the views are about the caucasian then fire away, open season.

Anyway to answer the questions posed whether the reasons for not wanting the Pakistanis is because of a failure to prrove their worth to Derby or because they are Pakistanis, my answer is yes.

[Lathund]

Totally asinine comparison.

Not really. Rev was essentially saying "Members of group X are generally Y, therefore the individual member Z of group X is also Y". I simply replaced the nouns. My point being that based on a common feature among a group you can't say anything about a certain individual therein. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just pointing out some faulty logic.

[RevidgeBlue]

Not really. Rev was essentially saying "Members of group X are generally Y, therefore the individual member Z of group X is also Y". I simply replaced the nouns. My point being that based on a common feature among a group you can't say anything about a certain individual therein. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just pointing out some faulty logic.

Sorry if I'm draging this off topic again but I'm going to have to defend myself there and agree with USA Blue that your comparison is a completely false one.

If your "centre half" had never expressed any interest in football before, let alone ever previously played in that position, you'd be extremely sceptical about sticking him straight into the first team wouldn't you?

Regardless of where he came from or his nationality!

[Scotty]

The daft thing is that a Pakistani consortium, provided they met all the criteria set out in Jack's will, could actually be a great thing for the club. They could reach out to the Asian folk in Blackburn and encourage more of them to get down to Ewood - something that could only help the club in the long-term.

[Lathund]

If your "centre half" had never expressed any interest in football before, let alone ever previously played in that position, you'd be extremely sceptical about sticking him straight into the first team wouldn't you?

Except that you don't know those things about this consortium. You don't know if they've got any experience of running a sports club, you don't know if they have a real interest or not. You made the assumption that they don't, based on them being from a country without much of a footballing tradition.

The only thing you do know is that a journalist has said that "he understands" that they have just over £100m, and that they didn't succeed in buying Derby. That those things are discouraging (Though I wouldn't base any real opinion on three sentences in one article, I'd need more) I can agree with, and FWIW I'm with you in believing it wouldn't be a great move to sell to them based on what we know, but that's not what I reacted to. I simply pointed out that one can't say something for certain based on an individual, based solely on his or her nationality (Other than the fact that they're nationals of said country), which you were doing. I really don't see what's contentious about that?