Sparky Marky Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Good Idea mate.....stick with him whilst he's crap and adjusts to the Premiership.......and then sell him....
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Fylde Coast Fan Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 I'd still rather have Andrews in the side than Mokoena.. he might not be Premiership quality but I don't fear for the scoreline every time he touches the ball, or that we're about to concede a set piece when I see him make a tackle.
Amo Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 I'd still rather have Andrews in the side than Mokoena.. he might not be Premiership quality but I don't fear for the scoreline every time he touches the ball, or that we're about to concede a set piece when I see him make a tackle. Really? 'Cos I can remember Andrews being clumsy in the tackle.
Anti-Dingle-Brigade Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Andrews to score the goal that keeps us up? Could argue he already has. Got us a point against WBA, scored what turned out to be the winner against Hull and equalised against West Ham. I make that 4 points. Without those things would be looking very, very bleak.
DanLad Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Could argue he already has. Got us a point against WBA, scored what turned out to be the winner against Hull and equalised against West Ham. I make that 4 points. Without those things would be looking very, very bleak. Have we stayed up?
Anti-Dingle-Brigade Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 That's why I said "could argue" and not "he did". If we stay up, he contributed to the cause. If we don't, he won us points but not enough (collectively, obviously). It was more the point that because of those 4 points, we are in with a fighting chance. If we were 4 points down, we'd be odds on for relegation.
LeChuck Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 But you couldn't argue he already has because he hasn't!
Anti-Dingle-Brigade Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 Don't tie me up in legalese. I knew I'd not expressed that correctly so here goes: If he hadn't scored the goals he has, we'd be dead and buried (in my opinion), so he has (so far) kept us up (for the time being anyway). Whether those 4 points will be the difference, it remains to be seen.
mellison24 Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 its 5 pts, not 4......2 draws plus 1 win = 5pts....
Shabani Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 no its 4 points 2 points extra v hull 1 point extra v west ham 1 point extra v wba
thenodrog Posted March 29, 2009 Posted March 29, 2009 I'd still rather have Andrews in the side than Mokoena.. he might not be Premiership quality but I don't fear for the scoreline every time he touches the ball, or that we're about to concede a set piece when I see him make a tackle. I think it depends upon who he is playing against. Gareth Barry destroyed him at Ewood. Could argue he already has. Got us a point against WBA, scored what turned out to be the winner against Hull and equalised against West Ham. I make that 4 points. Without those things would be looking very, very bleak. Andrews is a trier and no one can ask for more from any player but rem he was brought in to replace Bentley and how many goals / assists / points was he responsible for? Thank you Paul Ince!
dingles staying down 4ever Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 I think it depends upon who he is playing against. Gareth Barry destroyed him at Ewood. Andrews is a trier and no one can ask for more from any player but rem he was brought in to replace Bentley and how many goals / assists / points was he responsible for? Thank you Paul Ince! Andrews was never bought to replace Bentley. He was bought with the Bentley money granted but at no stage was he going to be the play maker of the side. Even Ince knew that. The intention was that Emerton was going to replace Bentley.
Tris Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 Andrews has contributed far more in the Premier League this season than Bentley has. And for his national side as well ... oh the irony.
Amo Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 Andrews was never bought to replace Bentley. He was bought with the Bentley money granted but at no stage was he going to be the play maker of the side. Even Ince knew that. The intention was that Emerton was going to replace Bentley. In a sense he did replace Bentley, because as you say his signing pushed Emerton out wide. Even though Emerton is better in CM anyway.
Eddie Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 No, Andrews was in no way a Bentley replacement. He was signed to bolster our options in central midfield and he's done just that. We were still looking for options at right midfield after he was signed, so he was clearly not seen as being the final piece of the puzzle in terms of having our midfield ready for this season.
47er Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 No, Andrews was in no way a Bentley replacement. He was signed to bolster our options in central midfield and he's done just that. We were still looking for options at right midfield after he was signed, so he was clearly not seen as being the final piece of the puzzle in terms of having our midfield ready for this season. Are you saying Ince had a plan?
Jonnolad Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 Andrews is a trier and no one can ask for more from any player but rem he was brought in to replace Bentley and how many goals / assists / points was he responsible for? Thank you Paul Ince! Bought in to replace Bentley?? It's funny that nobody at all mentioned that was the case when he signed; the chairman, the manager, the player, journalists or the fans - nobody, not a soul. And unsurprisingly nobody has mentioned it at any stage of Andrews' playing for us either. In fact the first I've heard about is when you've mentioned it now. Let's be honest though it's a ridiculous suggestion - Andrews replacing Bentley! £800k for Bentley's replacement and.......... he plays in a different position! That would have been a bizarre replacement even for Ince's standards. Or could it be that you are just completely wrong and he was never, ever replacement for Bentley? Hmmm, I wonder
OJRovers Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 We haven't replaced Bentley - hence why we are in a relegation fight. IMO Andrews has done a decent job and more than could be expected given his previous footballing experience. And I think he is improving each time he plays. He has also stayed fit which is something that our other midfielders (Dunn, Reid, Grella) cannot say. That said, he's not a world beater and in an ideal world we would have Dunn and Grella fit for most of the time.
Jonnolad Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 In a sense he did replace Bentley, because as you say his signing pushed Emerton out wide. Even though Emerton is better in CM anyway. In a sense he did replace Bentley?? Is this the let's see who can come up with a reason why Andrews replaced Bentley even though he didn't? Presumably the more contrived the better. Besides, surely by that rationale it would have been Grella's signing as CM who freed up Emerton to play right wing.
Jonnolad Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 We haven't replaced Bentley - hence why we are in a relegation fight. IMO Andrews has done a decent job and more than could be expected given his previous footballing experience. And I think he is improving each time he plays. He has also stayed fit which is something that our other midfielders (Dunn, Reid, Grella) cannot say. That said, he's not a world beater and in an ideal world we would have Dunn and Grella fit for most of the time. Even if Grella was fit I wouldn't play him in front of Andrews. The bloke has just looked poor. If we're absolutely honest Dunn hasn't looked good this season either. Is he actually injured at the moment? He played almost the full 90 against Arsenal so he was presumably fit then. I suspect he's just not good enough - fit or not.
Eddie Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 Are you saying Ince had a plan? We were clearly trying to sign a right winger, why we didn't needs some explaining, but it wasn't as if he thought what we had was going to be good enough in the long-run.
gazsimm Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 We haven't replaced Bentley - hence why we are in a relegation fight. IMO Andrews has done a decent job and more than could be expected given his previous footballing experience. And I think he is improving each time he plays. He has also stayed fit which is something that our other midfielders (Dunn, Reid, Grella) cannot say. That said, he's not a world beater and in an ideal world we would have Dunn and Grella fit for most of the time. Diouf might be the replacement for Bentley, sadly for us though he joined us in January. Andrews is an average player, who is only playing at the moment because we have Dunn, Grella, Emerton and Reid out injured.
Jonnolad Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 Diouf might be the replacement for Bentley, sadly for us though he joined us in January. Andrews is an average player, who is only playing at the moment because we have Dunn, Grella, Emerton and Reid out injured. Is Dunn actually injured though? I've not seen anything to say he is. And from what I've seen of Grella this season, even if he was fit I wouldn't be starting him ahead of Andrews. Sad but true.
gazsimm Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 Is Dunn actually injured though? I've not seen anything to say he is. And from what I've seen of Grella this season, even if he was fit I wouldn't be starting him ahead of Andrews. Sad but true. Dunn was injured, but the last three games or so , he has been on the subs bench. Sam must still think he is not ready to start a game yet. I think Grella is a better player then Andrews,but like Dunn he has not been able to put a run of games together.
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