Hughesy Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Ok this appeared to be taking over the transfer target thread so lets keep it in here. Simple arguement has come up - who is better, who would you rather keep? For me its simple - Benni every day of the week. Give him chances and he scores. Roberts as shown last season can quite easily miss them. For £2.5m - Top scorer in 2 of his 3 seasons despite being in and out of the team, and despite playing deeper to accomodate RSC. People have thrown the penalty arguement into the pot too but all good players take them and dont get them discredited from them (Gerrard, Ronaldo to name 2). Argue away boys and girls. P.Valery wrote Totally agree. Best post i've seen in a while. Someone else posted stats of McCarthy and Roberts over a set period a few pages back. On Benni's stats they included games, goals and assists. On Roberts it was only games and goals. I meant to comment on it then but for one reason and another i didn't get round to it. But the comparison was ridiculous. Robert' game is about more than goals. His sheer presence creates openings for others. Don't get me wrong, i'm not his biggest fan. But when i hear people talking about McCarthy's natural ability it makes me laugh. He is lazy and has a belief in his own ability far over and above that which is accurate. Roberts is a grafter and gives his all for the cause. He may never be a superstar but he is honest and hardworking. I'd have got rid of McCarthy a long time ago. I don't know the stats, but i reckon even Dickov had a better return than 9 goals from open play in 2 seasons. it was me who wrote those statistics the reason I only posted Roberts goals and games played was because it was not mentioned on Wikipedia his assists. You mention Dickov had a better return from 9 goals in 2 games so are you advocating we sign him up as in your opinion he was a better striker?. Roberts maybe a grafter and work hard for the team but if we had gone down due to the fact he missed 1 open goal and numerous other one-on-one opportunities would you still be as complimentary?. i don't think so ok maybe Benni is at times lazy and questions over his fitness have been raised fairly but at least he knows where the net is! and scores the majority of chances. Without him and Samba working so hard at the end of the season we would be down so deserves a lot of praise for that. Ok so Benni has missed pens but so has Roberts. You also have to consider a lot of the time he was overlooked by that clown "The Guvnor" where anyone with a brain cell could have figured out RSC was having a poor season and would have changed it around rather than hoping for the best. Also you have to remember mentioned here before Benni is by far the better striker as he has a champions league winners medal and Roberts has a championship runners-up medal also Benni would have had a better goal return if he had some good service from midfield as his first season in the premier league showed. Rant over! Don't be silly. You really do go over the top at times eddie. I never ever said BM is crap. Quite the opposite he is the most talented player in the club now that Tugay has gone. It's a fitness and attitude problem with him and that is the frustrating thing. For whatever reason he has not been motivated for some time. Without motivation he is a luxury that we cannot afford to have around on the basis of performances and squad pschology. A move would likley see him turn it on for a year or so and we'd be left tearing our hair out but unless someone can light a fire under him at Brockhall then that is the only alternative. How come you have such a limited understanding of football? Just to add to the Benni and Roberts row. Benni may have only scored 9 goals from open play in the last two season, but the guy hardly played this season, and when he did towards the end of the season he was banging them in. last season, when he did play, he was playing in a deeper role to allow Cruz to play as the front man. He's never going to score a huge amount from that position in our team. And the lazy tag just makes me laugh. He does track back and get involved, it's just some people expect him to be doing it all the time. You can't be in the box and scoring goals, if you are on the half way line. No way we could replace his quality, not in a million years. Selling him would be a stupid thing to do. More posts on the arguement...... Totally agree. Best post i've seen in a while. Someone else posted stats of McCarthy and Roberts over a set period a few pages back. On Benni's stats they included games, goals and assists. On Roberts it was only games and goals. I meant to comment on it then but for one reason and another i didn't get round to it. But the comparison was ridiculous. Robert' game is about more than goals. His sheer presence creates openings for others. Don't get me wrong, i'm not his biggest fan. But when i hear people talking about McCarthy's natural ability it makes me laugh. He is lazy and has a belief in his own ability far over and above that which is accurate. Roberts is a grafter and gives his all for the cause. He may never be a superstar but he is honest and hardworking. I'd have got rid of McCarthy a long time ago. I don't know the stats, but i reckon even Dickov had a better return than 9 goals from open play in 2 seasons. You would have got 'rid of McCarthy a long time ago' ?? that discredits everything else you say. 'Lazy'? change the record, he's finished top scorer at the club twice in three years, i dont care if he's lazy as he does the business. If i had the choice between a hard working striker who fails to score regularly (Dickov/Roberts) or a 'lazy' striker who can hit 20+ in a league season, i would take the latter every single time. I dont think Roberts is up to much, yes he's big and creates openings but thats not enough without the goals. Who would you rather have in a one on one situation eh? Roberts is very very usefull to have but he is a very poor finisher. There were at least 3 games last season when he had a 1 v 1 opportunity to win the match and failed to score. If he could finish, as everyone in the media has said for the past 3/4 years, he would be an exceptional player. But, he cant and he never will. If Roberts left it would be a shame but nothing more. And this discredits everything you say good sir. This was exactly my point. He hasn't hit these heights in the last two seasons. 9 goals from open play proves this. I'm not sure what your point is? I stated i'm not Roberts' biggest fan. But i prefer watching him give 100% every week over Benni poncing about under the pretence of being a world class striker. The man lost his desire to wear the shirt the minute Chelsea came calling. He can't even keep himself fit. Roberts will never be anything more than a mid table premier league striker. I admit that. But Benni could have been and passed up the oppotunity. A club like ours can do without ego's like that. If he was all that, he would be long gone. The fact is he is a egoistical turd who we'd not want to sign if he played for anyone else. He makes lame excuses not to play for his country for god sake. But you know what? If he did produce the 20+ goals a season which you speak of, then i am shallow enough to forgive everything else. I openly admit that. However he hasn't for too long now. I guess what it somes down to is, i'd rather see Roberts try but fail than benni not try and still fail. Don't get me wrong. I don't want a side full of commitment and no ability. Of sourse not. But i'm tired of seeing our 'best players' such as Benni just looking like they're turning up for their weekly pay check. Its a sad reflection of todays football i guess. Maybe i expect too much to find talent and commitment shown by the likes of Tugay, Friedel, Jansen, Shearer, Hendry etc... My point is that Benni is a better player than Roberts and for you to say that you'd want rid of Benni just because of his ego and laziness despite the fact that he scores far more frequently and has hit 20 goals in a premier league season (yes he's only done it once, but thats one more then Jason will ever get), is quite a shallow reason. Roberts fits into a poor premier league side, hard working but lacking in quality. Benni has that quality. He's no world beater, and i agree that on occasions his ego has got the better of him, but thats not enough to sell him as he is a level above Roberts. Ill say it again, give Benni proper service from midfield and he will score the goals from open play again. He aint a Bellamy that has pace, but he knows where the back of the net is. Irrespective of penalties, he is a striker much like Van Nistelrooy who will roam up front and wait for the chance to pounce. We could have had the the best of strikers at the club, with our current midfield they would have struggled to score. Its funny, when Benni scores from a penalty people go crazy on here with excitement. Why? Because its a goal. Yet now people criticise him for not scoring enough from open play. He might have scored 9 goals in 2 seasons from open play, but how many goals has he scored for the club in total compared to the likes of Dickov and Kuqi? It really is a stupid argument to be honest. Benni is creative and can score goals, Roberts is strong, works hard but doesnt score that much. We have been lucky this season with all those Roberts misses. Yes he scored the winner at Fulham, and a goal against Man City, but those easy one on one chances could have cost us big time. Love or hate him, Benni is by far a better striker than Roberts and that is based on goals scored in his career thus far. We can easily replace Roberts, but how often with our limited funds can we replace a player like Benni, who can still score goals for us. I wonder how many people will complain if he scores 20 goals in the new season, 15 from the penalty spot and 5 from open play. For those who dont know, a penalty if scored is considered a goal. A goal scored using your left ear, is considered a goal. My point is, if the guy wants to stand up front, and our midfield can provide service to him to score then what is the problem? Football today is now about a striker tracking back to defend. In years gone by, the midfield were the ones to move up in attack, and track back to defend thats their role. If Benni tracks back to defend, there is no way based on our current midfield that we will be able to find anybody in a goal scoring position, if our strikers are constantly asked to play as defenders for the sake of making people happy. We are too obsessed at the likes of Rooney tracking back to help out in defence. Strikers are meant to be up top, not running around in midfield or defence to help out because the defenders and midfielders are not capable of doing their job properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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