[Archived] Have Venkys won?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

36 minutes ago, JonnyP said:

Basically BRFC is a company not a club and companies are judged and managed on figures and at the end of the day a profit needs to be made in order for the company to grow and succeed. The reason fans (customers) go to games is to watch good football (form of entertainment) because when the team plays well and we are winning (a good product) it creates that adrenaline that we all love hence why we go to games (customer satisfaction).

When Venkies took over we were in the Prem with a decent fan (customer) base and a decent manager play good football (product). I believe the Venkies intentions were good to start with but made incredibly bad decisions. We sack big Sam and appoint Kean and the standard of Football dropped (the product wasn't as good) the fans began to kick up (customer satisfaction drops) and the slowly the clubs (companies) fan (customer) base starts dropping leading to a loss in revenue. The company invests poorly and we get relegated we loose a lot of revenue in TVs rights etc etc and the club  stuck with players who's wages don't suit the championship and we continue to drop ticket attendance and continue the loss in revenue.

The management take a gamble try to hang on to players and invest on the likes of Rhodes in order to try get promoted straight away. A season or two passes we don't get promoted we are paying high wages we sack manager after manager  paying out on their contracts and the fan base shrinks further because the football (product) is no better if not worse, fans are protesting (customer satisfaction at all time low)  and begin boycotting games stop buying shirts and the loss of revenue continues.

The next step for management is to make cuts because the company is in serious dept, get wages down by selling any half decent player that we have and replace them with cheaper contracts, use the money made to try balance the books and keep the cash flow in tact. The company has a duty of care to the employees it employs to pay their wages and if they can't pay their wages cuts have to be made. While this is all happening the football standard continues to drop (sh*t product) because we are selling our assets and fans stop going.

Basically the BRFC is providing a sh*t product and customers have stopped buying and in order to survive company has to down grade because it's no longer making money and the investors no longer want to invest money in a company that isn't performing and no one is coming forward to buy a sh*t business. 

TM comes in the standard of football has gone up temporarily (product is better) and fans (customers) start going again hence why 18000 went through the turnstiles on Saturday. 

Football is a business about money and teams are all competing to sell there product which is Football if your product is sh*t people will go else where because people don't lik being associated with a sh*t product Man Utd get 80,000 through the gates each week bescause they have had years of consistent success (their product is reliable and one of the best on the market)

In my opinion the only thing that will keep BRFC going is if former customers or new customers begin to spend their money going to games or on merchandise and at least gives a potential investor/sponcers etc or our current investors/sponcers etc etc a company that has a consistent customer base where profitability is a possibility at this exact moment in time Rovers is not that and that is the underlining problem. FACT

I can't agree with your conclusion. A football club has " brand loyalty " like no other product. It's not like a car or a washing machine or pint of beer, it's much more than that, most fans are fans for life. For good or ill most Rovers fans are stuck with the Club, I know I am. I'm dissatisfied now but would I support another football club ? Not in a million years.

You sound like you work in advertising.

[darrenrover]

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I can't agree with your conclusion. A football club has " brand loyalty " like no other product. It's not like a car or a washing machine or pint of beer, it's much more than that, most fans are fans for life. For good or ill most Rovers fans are stuck with the Club, I know I am. I'm dissatisfied now but would I support another football club ? Not in a million years.

You sound like you work in advertising.

Sadly Tyrone the heritage, ties to your local club, what it means to the community etc is generally lost on many. It's an 'Americanism' much like a franchise, no doubt similar to the one that Venkys thought they'd bought.

I have friends and colleagues all over the globe and none of them have ever really 'got it'. 

Rovers have been part of my family for over 100 years, you can't change that.

[Stuart]

13 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I can't agree with your conclusion. A football club has " brand loyalty " like no other product. It's not like a car or a washing machine or pint of beer, it's much more than that, most fans are fans for life. For good or ill most Rovers fans are stuck with the Club, I know I am. I'm dissatisfied now but would I support another football club ? Not in a million years.

You sound like you work in advertising.

Bob on. You can't change your club - and owners know it. Unless you are 8 years old and live in a home with BT Sport or Sky.

That's where all of these football fans are customers analogies fall down. We aren't customers we are emotional shareholders.

[gumboots]

11 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Bob on. You can't change your club - and owners know it. Unless you are 8 years old and live in a home with BT Sport or Sky.

That's where all of these football fans are customers analogies fall down. We aren't customers we are emotional shareholders.

I changed my club. I was brought up with the Boro as my team, went regularly in my teens, and thought that'd never change. However, I moved from Teesside, and I never went back. I fell out of love with football for a number of years as I had no time to watch it, having 4 children. By the time I revived my interest we lived here, my husband, who had no real allegiance, had started taking the kids to Rovers, so for me it was if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. From following the Boro, I learnt about being a fan, the passion, the emotion, and I still like them to do well. It's a bit like an amicable split from a partner you loved, and moving into marriage with someone else. 

[Stuart]

Just now, gumboots said:

I changed my club. I was brought up with the Boro as my team, went regularly in my teens, and thought that'd never change. However, I moved from Teesside, and I never went back. I fell out of love with football for a number of years as I had no time to watch it, having 4 children. By the time I revived my interest we lived here, my husband, who had no real allegiance, had started taking the kids to Rovers, so for me it was if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. From following the Boro, I learnt about being a fan, the passion, the emotion, and I still like them to do well. It's a bit like an amicable split from a partner you loved, and moving into marriage with someone else. 

Boro will always be your team. If they weren't you wouldn't keep mentioning it!

[JonnyP]

3 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I can't agree with your conclusion. A football club has " brand loyalty " like no other product. It's not like a car or a washing machine or pint of beer, it's much more than that, most fans are fans for life. For good or ill most Rovers fans are stuck with the Club, I know I am. I'm dissatisfied now but would I support another football club ? Not in a million years.

You sound like you work in advertising.

No you won't change who you follow but you might loose interest decide I'm going to spend my Saturday afternoons doing something else, you still flick sky sports news on to see the score in the Rovers game is but your not there spending your money on a ticket you won't spend on s pie n chips at half time you wont be in the store buying Blackburn blue crown paint. You get where I'm going with this. 

Also if Localish kids are watching our massively commercialised sport on tv n rovers are stuck doing nothing down the end of the championship on the to once in a blue moon and Ibra is bashing in the goals in for Utd who's shirt will he be asking Santa for at Xmas.

lastly because our attendance has dropped and people have been boycotting or stop going cus they have lost interest and decide I'm not bringing the kids either because it's not exactly a positive environment at the moment and has been for quiet a while you end up loosing a generation of fans who grew up going to see the rovers. If it's not bred into you early it more than likely never will and in 10 20 years time when some life time fans are gone where's your brand loyalty then?

Basically what I'm saying is you may support Blackburn Rovers but is the club making any money out of you and if so how much? It's a company what good are you if your buying nothing off them? I live in Ireland I have supported Rovers all my life my father is a season ticket holder but BRFC is making f**k all out of me because I don't go to the games on any sort of regular basis because of where I live, I buy a new shirt once every 5 years n that's about it. If anyone asks me I'm a died heart rovers fan because I am but the company make nothing out of me really and there the hard facts when it comes to business.

[47er]

3 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I can't agree with your conclusion. A football club has " brand loyalty " like no other product. It's not like a car or a washing machine or pint of beer, it's much more than that, most fans are fans for life. For good or ill most Rovers fans are stuck with the Club, I know I am. I'm dissatisfied now but would I support another football club ? Not in a million years.

You sound like you work in advertising.

He lost me when he said "I believe the Venkies(sic) intentions were good to start with".

So I disagree with his introduction and his conclusion!

[JonnyP]

Just now, 47er said:

He lost me when he said "I believe the Venkies(sic) intentions were good to start with".

So I disagree with his introduction and his conclusion!

Everyone did at the start n then they sacked big Sam n It all went down hill from then, who buys a football club to sink them? When someone says they are going to invest in the club I believed them however their decision making has been so poor and taken bad advice n its lead to what we hav now

[47er]

So they had good intentions for a few weeks?!!!!

You don't believe this was a set-up and they came in with the deliberate intention to sack Sam and promote SEM's client Judas Kean?

[Athlete]

Just now, 47er said:

So they had good intentions for a few weeks?!!!!

You don't believe this was a set-up and they came in with the deliberate intention to sack Sam and promote SEM's client Judas Kean?

Their only intentions were bad intentions 

[JonnyP]

Just now, 47er said:

So they had good intentions for a few weeks?!!!!

You don't believe this was a set-up and they came in with the deliberate intention to sack Sam and promote SEM's client Judas Kean?

I don't believe they bought the club to promote or push anyone or to use it to try write other company dept or any of the other  theories. I think they ended up in an industry they knew nothing about and took advice from the wrong people and they got stung big time they are left with a load of debt and a business going nowhere fast. 

Nobody is mad enough to take that kind of hit for someone else

[47er]

Well you're a dunce then, imo of course!

[Athlete]

Just now, JonnyP said:

I don't believe they bought the club to promote or push anyone or to use it to try write other company dept or any of the other  theories. I think they ended up in an industry they knew nothing about and took advice from the wrong people and they got stung big time they are left with a load of debt and a business going nowhere fast. 

Nobody is mad enough to take that kind of hit for someone else

Anyone still believing in fairy tales like they didn't know what what they were doing bad advice  etc etc must believe the moon is made of cheese... 

People in corporate business don't get stung to the tune of. Circa 100 million debt even in a industry they know nothing about 

[JonnyP]

Just now, Athlete said:

Anyone still believing in fairy tales like they didn't know what what they were doing bad advice  etc etc must believe the moon is made of cheese... 

People in corporate business don't get stung to the tune of. Circa 100 million debt even in a industry they know nothing about 

Of course they do multi national companies die all the time, loose millions upon millions are you for real? and usually those corporate business people work in the industry for most their lives. These clowns bought a football club thousands of miles away in an industry they know nothing about and got shafted big time and are stuck with it. To suggest corporate business people don't @#/? up is absurd, basically the world economy crashed about 8 years ago n I didn't do it.

[Mike E]

Just now, JonnyP said:

Of course they do multi national companies die all the time, loose millions upon millions are you for real? and usually those corporate business people work in the industry for most their lives. These clowns bought a football club thousands of miles away in an industry they know nothing about and got shafted big time and are stuck with it. To suggest corporate business people don't @#/? up is absurd, basically the world economy crashed about 8 years ago n I didn't do it.

Yet they seem to continue working with the very agents who screwed them over...

So they are either @#/? stupid or bent as a boomerang. I know which i think is the truth.

[Athlete]

Just now, JonnyP said:

Of course they do multi national companies die all the time, loose millions upon millions are you for real? and usually those corporate business people work in the industry for most their lives. These clowns bought a football club thousands of miles away in an industry they know nothing about and got shafted big time and are stuck with it. To suggest corporate business people don't @#/? up is absurd, basically the world economy crashed about 8 years ago n I didn't do it.

In the corporate world you don't take bad advice you employ people from the industry.. The best the industry has to offer.. You don't get scammed allegedly and carry on allegedly working with the same people 

 

JP you believe what you want to believe.. 

[JonnyP]

Just now, Athlete said:

In the corporate world you don't take bad advice you employ people from the industry.. The best the industry has to offer.. You don't get scammed allegedly and carry on allegedly working with the same people 

 

JP you believe what you want to believe.. 

I will believe in what I want to believe cheers. So what is the solution to the current situation? protesting hasn't worked going insolvent can't be the answer, my solution is stop the boycotting n get behind what little we have left fill the stands buy the shirt and eat all the pies but that's easy for me to say when I'm a distance away 

[47er]

12 minutes ago, JonnyP said:

I will believe in what I want to believe cheers. 

Like Donald Trump!

[47er]

15 minutes ago, JonnyP said:

I will believe in what I want to believe cheers. So what is the solution to the current situation? protesting hasn't worked going insolvent can't be the answer, my solution is stop the boycotting n get behind what little we have left fill the stands buy the shirt and eat all the pies but that's easy for me to say when I'm a distance away 

You're not going to practice what you preach then? Don't see why anyone should take any notice of you in that case.

 

[TBTF]

1 hour ago, 47er said:

So they had good intentions for a few weeks?!!!!

You don't believe this was a set-up and they came in with the deliberate intention to sack Sam and promote SEM's client Judas Kean?

And breathe.  47er. I can't emotionally revisit this sh1te. Has this guy woken up after a 7 year sleep? 

We have been awake through this utterly torrid existence , this guy clearly hasn't and is forming conclusions from 2010!!

come on , hold my hand and we will walk away together before you and I spontaneously combust!!!

[JonnyP]

18 minutes ago, 47er said:

You're not going to practice what you preach then? Don't see why anyone should take any notice of you in that case.

 

doesnt mean I'm wrong though. Surely u can agree that a good attendance provides revenue and makes the club more attractive to investors/advertisers/players/merchandisers etc etc. Currently we have had a relatively empty stadium it can't be attracting much at the moment. yes there has been major issues behind the curtain to what extent is debatable n can be debated forever but what is clear to me is that in most businesses if you have a massive lose in custom n no1 wants your product anymore it can't be good. 10000 a game is a poor gate n it's hurting us a lot for a number of financial reasons

[gumboots]

So are you going to pay for us all to go because I'm not prepared to pay for myself to go and watch something I don't want to watch. I'm glad they have decided to appoint someone resembling a manager, even if that's not his title; I'm glad they seem to be playing better. I wish Mowbray nothing but good. However, we've had false dawns before. I've given in, gone back and found i've been duped again. Let's see what happens come the end of the season. My guess is more sales than incoming,  possible manager departure, more stand closures. And that's if we stay up. I've been caught twice before by this lot, when Kean left and when Lambert was appointed and I intend to wait before putting another penny into Venkys and whoever coffers

 

[47er]

7 hours ago, JonnyP said:

doesnt mean I'm wrong though. Surely u can agree that a good attendance provides revenue and makes the club more attractive to investors/advertisers/players/merchandisers etc etc. Currently we have had a relatively empty stadium it can't be attracting much at the moment. yes there has been major issues behind the curtain to what extent is debatable n can be debated forever but what is clear to me is that in most businesses if you have a massive lose in custom n no1 wants your product anymore it can't be good. 10000 a game is a poor gate n it's hurting us a lot for a number of financial reasons

So let's all rally round to ramp up Venkys business! Don't think so.

[darrenrover]

13 hours ago, JonnyP said:

doesnt mean I'm wrong though. Surely u can agree that a good attendance provides revenue and makes the club more attractive to investors/advertisers/players/merchandisers etc etc. Currently we have had a relatively empty stadium it can't be attracting much at the moment. yes there has been major issues behind the curtain to what extent is debatable n can be debated forever but what is clear to me is that in most businesses if you have a massive lose in custom n no1 wants your product anymore it can't be good. 10000 a game is a poor gate n it's hurting us a lot for a number of financial reasons

The Raos could rectify that in a heartbeat by putting right the situation that they alone have created. It's their name above the door after all.

Apologise, empower a management team to run the club, with a budget that shows ambition.

The irony is, that's where they started!

 

[MCMC1875]

Just now, darrenrover said:

The Raos could rectify that in a heartbeat by putting right the situation that they alone have created. It's their name above the door after all.

Apologise, empower a management team to run the club, with a budget that shows ambition.

The irony is, that's where they started!

 

Any fool could look back and see how it was possible to run the Club on a sound footing but as Gav said the other day they appoint people who aren't qualified, give them the keys to the Club and they run amok.