[Archived] Senior resigns from Rovers role

[gumboots]

It was Watford guy who was talking Stuart. He seemed quite open about the fact that all their coach does is coach the first team. Like it or not it works for them. Me I'd settle for a proper manager with competent admin people above him as we had until venkys rocked up. All I was saying really was that they have a clear plan which they set out and adhere to. 

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, davulsukur said:

Who decides this?

The board and Director of football

1 hour ago, davulsukur said:

I'd say it's destined to fail but Southampton finished 8th in the Premier League.

I assume there is some flexibility in formation/style/tactics, teams need to adapt to the opposition.

Southampton and Swansea are the ones of the top of my head who play this.

Southampton and Swansea in the past months have change formation but still perform very well

59 minutes ago, gumboots said:

Its not specific match tactics but the general overall club ethos they set. They have plans for recruiting if they lose players, lists of who might be available in positions plus a solid budget to work with. Its not set in stone but its all agreed with any incoming manager. Not like our lot promising the earth and delivering nothing. The plan is to tell it like it is to any manager they appoint

spot on

[chaddyrovers]

7 minutes ago, Stuart said:

This appears to treat the 'head coach' as nothing more than a player. Are they then schooled in how to instruct the team, and have no creative input whatsoever? Whilst it seems to keep Southampton ticking over, and winning friends for playing football the right way, and bringing through Walcotts and Bales (only to sell them), what does it ultimately achieve?

Behind the scenes there is clearly a 'real manager' who makes the decisions and the 'head coach' takes the fall when it goes wrong. Quite shady really.

well Sothampton are in the top 8 of PL.

think about the players they have lost in the 3 years and still in the PL and in the top half of the PL. cant asked for much more

[Stuart]

51 minutes ago, gumboots said:

It was Watford guy who was talking Stuart. He seemed quite open about the fact that all their coach does is coach the first team. Like it or not it works for them. Me I'd settle for a proper manager with competent admin people above him as we had until venkys rocked up. All I was saying really was that they have a clear plan which they set out and adhere to. 

They were open questions gb. I wasn't expecting you to have the answers.

[Athlete]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

well Sothampton are in the top 8 of PL.

think about the players they have lost in the 3 years and still in the PL and in the top half of the PL. cant asked for much more

Was reading somewhere that claude puel is expecting the shove.. Bit of a surprise really 

[McClarky]

I think Ajax are the model of a club which has has basically the same philosophy in place since Rinus Michels in the 60s.  Rovers are the polar opposite really and will continue to fail miserably until someone is put in charge who knows what they are doing.  A philosophy and clear direction are basics for running anything well.

[Mike Graham]

2 hours ago, McClarky said:

I think Ajax are the model of a club which has has basically the same philosophy in place since Rinus Michels in the 60s.  Rovers are the polar opposite really and will continue to fail miserably until someone is put in charge who knows what they are doing.  A philosophy and clear direction are basics for running anything well.

I have a dream that Rovers become England's version of F.C. St Pauli.

Maybe that should be a campaign aim?

[perthblue02]

Just now, preston blue said:

I have a dream that Rovers become England's version of F.C. St Pauli.

Maybe that should be a campaign aim?

If Venky's are still here  in 5 years I have a vision that Rovers will be playing St Pauls WMC in the Blackburn Combination

[McClarky]

Just now, preston blue said:

I have a dream that Rovers become England's version of F.C. St Pauli.

Maybe that should be a campaign aim?

Unfortunately that model doesn't exist in English football.  St Pauli's rise in recent years has been phenomenal, especially considering that it hasn't really been linked with any great success on the pitch.  The whole set up is about being St Pauli and being prepared to stick to principles.   

[Mike Graham]

Just now, McClarky said:

Unfortunately that model doesn't exist in English football.  St Pauli's rise in recent years has been phenomenal, especially considering that it hasn't really been linked with any great success on the pitch.  The whole set up is about being St Pauli and being prepared to stick to principles.   

I agree Mc C.  I have a couple of work colleagues who go to see them 3 or 4 times per season and they love the experience, the fans are fantastic and have values.

[McClarky]

Just now, preston blue said:

I agree Mc C.  I have a couple of work colleagues who go to see them 3 or 4 times per season and they love the experience, the fans are fantastic and have values.

Yeah I've been over quite a few times and it is a fantastic experience.  Showed how to escape relegation this season as well, 

[Stuart]

10 minutes ago, McClarky said:

Unfortunately that model doesn't exist in English football.  St Pauli's rise in recent years has been phenomenal, especially considering that it hasn't really been linked with any great success on the pitch.  The whole set up is about being St Pauli and being prepared to stick to principles.   

I wish we had a club with principles. When the bubble bursts in English football, I hope the game is rebuilt on similar principles to the German game with the Trusts at the centre of each. The trouble is, as we've seen with Pompey, the first sign of some cash and they look to sell the whole nine yards, rather than insist on waiting for a 49% investor for the club that keeps them at the heart of it.

[mhead]

On behalf of the Trust, I think we should be considering and assessing St Pauli FC and what we may transfer to the 'future' Rovers.

Anyone interested in a meeting to discuss this, especially anyone who's been? My trips have mainly been to Hannover FC.

Contact me via    chair@roverstrust.co.uk

Thanks

[Lancaster Rover]

12 hours ago, preston blue said:

I have a dream that Rovers become England's version of F.C. St Pauli.

Maybe that should be a campaign aim?

There is quite a lot of unrest at St. Pauli these days about the perceived 'gentrification' of the club by their long term members and ultra's. As they have struggled at times to keep pace and survive in the Bundesliga certain aspects of their original vision and principles have had to be abandoned. There was an interesting article in the Blizzard about their development and the hiccups they've suffered along the way. 

[McClarky]

That's true to an extent but nothing on the scale of what happens here. A few have defected to Altona 93 in the local league whose home games are also an experience. I get the feeling that things have settled down more now as the club have accepted the position of the fans on many issues.   The overall family feel to the place is what we should look to replicate with everyone pulling in the same direction.  I would recommend anyone to get over to St Pauli for a weekend, helps if you like punk, ska and left wing politics but I'm sure you don't have to to enjoy yourself.

[Lancaster Rover]

Definitely, it's a really interesting story and I think the way they have listened to the fans whilst also running a Bundesliga club is commendable, the community work they do is second to none. 

My point was more that people often jump to wave St. Pauli as the flag bearer for a 'fans club' but it hasn't been without sacrifice or compromise (on all parts). The Millerntor is something every fan should experience and Hamburg is a great city

[Dunnfc]

Director of Football

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Me: Great Result though I felt Villa looked on holiday, defiantly a sell out at Brentford next week I feel, what's the chances of the club getting some coaches on with the travel restrictions on Sunday and from Piccadilly?

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Paul Senior: It's all we could hope for taking it to the last day, I think we will and it's about building on that with recruitment in the summer. In relation to coaches I have emailed the owners in the week concerning this so hopefully we can provide some.

Now it's not exactly word for word but the bit in bold is.

How much is a coach and driver for a day 1.5 k? times ten so 15K in totality.

Why would a regional director reporting to a MD have to ask permission for 15K to sign of on a transaction? This doesn't happen anywhere. Most places on the sort of turnover of rovers have 250K before board member level.

[AllRoverAsia]

Just now, Dunnfc said:

Director of Football

Now it's not exactly word for word but the bit in bold is.

How much is a coach and driver for a day 1.5 k? times ten so 15K in totality.

Why would a regional director reporting to a MD have to ask permission for 15K to sign of on a transaction? This doesn't happen anywhere. Most places on the sort of turnover of rovers have 250K before board member level.

From the gist of Senior's reply he expected to be here in the summer for the recruitment.

Maybe the request for cash for coaches did for him with the Vs 

[Dunnfc]

11 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

From the gist of Senior's reply he expected to be here in the summer for the recruitment.

Maybe the request for cash for coaches did for him with the Vs 

I thought he was a snake tbh. He glorified himself to be doing this and that and in reality he wasn't, he was with Danny Davis driving round trying to get fans to eat at the kitchen or rent a box for a game. Commercial, finance etc are specialist occupations and not those for a football scout.

What I will say is that he was more switched on in terms of running a football side than Cheston could ever dream off. He had a plan, not sure what it was or how it'd have gone down but he had something. Problem is I think people knew he was a bit slimy so didn't take to him. He went I think on contractual grounds, is remit was to stay in the 2nd division. He failed.

You need people like that though in some capacity (Limited) to just to be a communication (Myers) type of guy. Cheston though is a complete horror show. At best stick him as finance manager with someone who has the ability to understand and watch over him.

It all screams structure.

Shaw - Failure, No Business Pedigree, allegedly on the take and a lover of dealing cash only.

Agnew - Linked to JA (Apparently signed a contract pre takeover for crescendo) and the ex programme seller then became named MD.

Shebby - A heart of gold, trusted by venkys known as "Uncle Shebby" - Liability PR wise but was tasked to rid the club of JA and associated, mission completed.

Paul Hunt - Came, went, a bit like his letter to Desai. Not done anything of note after.

Obviously they need to sell but they need implementation of someone who is going to grab this club by it's scruff and lead a charge of attack to the future. Garry Cook ex Man City and Nike Jordan Air, has spoken to Birmingham and as I saw in the paper Wigan. Was on 1.5 million at city he'd probably be 400k performance related now his stock is low especially after Onouha. My advise genuinely go and get this keaner as he will piece together himself and this sorry club and get it going again, he will go in a few years elsewhere but we'd both benefit.

Matt Williams from Burnley or Jonathan Jackson in reserve but for god sake get someone in respected who will sort it out. Till then it's only down down deeper and down. Look at the club, some of the squad you'd keep it's a half decent shot at promotion. A good manager then makes all the difference especially with the 10 million mimimum investment on top of turnover.

If you can't deliver then disappear.

 

 

[K-Hod]

So, just to confirm Suhail, do you think those in BwD should vote Miller?

[AllRoverAsia]

Just now, Suhail Slayer said:

If you care about what the Rao family has done to the Town, the Club, the local community, the millions of ££££ lost from the local economy and the thousands of local jobs affected...

VOTE MILLER !

A great series of Vote Miller pics today. Well done!

Sorry that I just cannot get myself to 'like' those that feaure an agent, liplicker or horsehead. Otherwise I would have.

[K-Hod]

6 minutes ago, Suhail Slayer said:

If you care about what the Rao family has done to the Town, the Club, the local community, the millions of ££££ lost from the local economy and the thousands of local jobs affected...

VOTE MILLER !

Would if I could, but it's not my ward sadly!

[tomphil]

13 hours ago, Dunnfc said:

I thought he was a snake tbh. He glorified himself to be doing this and that and in reality he wasn't, he was with Danny Davis driving round trying to get fans to eat at the kitchen or rent a box for a game. Commercial, finance etc are specialist occupations and not those for a football scout.

What I will say is that he was more switched on in terms of running a football side than Cheston could ever dream off. He had a plan, not sure what it was or how it'd have gone down but he had something. Problem is I think people knew he was a bit slimy so didn't take to him. He went I think on contractual grounds, is remit was to stay in the 2nd division. He failed.

You need people like that though in some capacity (Limited) to just to be a communication (Myers) type of guy. Cheston though is a complete horror show. At best stick him as finance manager with someone who has the ability to understand and watch over him.

It all screams structure.

Shaw - Failure, No Business Pedigree, allegedly on the take and a lover of dealing cash only.

Agnew - Linked to JA (Apparently signed a contract pre takeover for crescendo) and the ex programme seller then became named MD.

Shebby - A heart of gold, trusted by venkys known as "Uncle Shebby" - Liability PR wise but was tasked to rid the club of JA and associated, mission completed.

Paul Hunt - Came, went, a bit like his letter to Desai. Not done anything of note after.

Obviously they need to sell but they need implementation of someone who is going to grab this club by it's scruff and lead a charge of attack to the future. Garry Cook ex Man City and Nike Jordan Air, has spoken to Birmingham and as I saw in the paper Wigan. Was on 1.5 million at city he'd probably be 400k performance related now his stock is low especially after Onouha. My advise genuinely go and get this keaner as he will piece together himself and this sorry club and get it going again, he will go in a few years elsewhere but we'd both benefit.

Matt Williams from Burnley or Jonathan Jackson in reserve but for god sake get someone in respected who will sort it out. Till then it's only down down deeper and down. Look at the club, some of the squad you'd keep it's a half decent shot at promotion. A good manager then makes all the difference especially with the 10 million mimimum investment on top of turnover.

If you can't deliver then disappear.

 

 

You can see why Shaw lasted through the Berg scandal and beyond. Fits right in with the average Indian UK franchise model on that description.

[Dunnfc]

9 hours ago, tomphil said:

You can see why Shaw lasted through the Berg scandal and beyond. Fits right in with the average Indian UK franchise model on that description.

Small amounts apparently. Speaking to someone who described him as one of the most simple minds you'll meet. I wasn't sure how to take that lol