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[arbitro]

Just now, islander200 said:

But all the other clubs knew what he was available and none of the big clubs bit, if he was being rated externally as he should have been the big 6 would have been falling over themselves to sign him for that money .

They could have done that deal they ain't weren't gonna  come in in the summer and pay much more for him 

He also wasn't being involved at under 21 level yer man from Bournemouth had 2 senior caps and loads of big teams after him, if it wasn't for the release clause Bournemouth would have got more money for him 

Adam was watched regularly by the top six PL clubs and I really think that one of them would have made a move in the summer. However we needed money quickly, Palace knew this and low balled us in the relatively safe knowledge we would accept.

 

[Mattyblue]

The fact the elite clubs didn’t bid says how raw he still was, they didn’t fancy dropping 17 million or whatever then and there for a squad player, unlike a Phillips that was a bit of pocket money for Tottenham - so as I say a normal club wouldn’t have been selling as you aren’t getting the price his potential would obviously lead to.

Parish spotted it and could offer first team PL football whilst he was at it.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Mattyblue

[islander200]

30 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Come on, teams look beyond England under 21 caps. Those squads tend to be dominated by big clubs. 

It was January. Teams dont tend to spend much in that window.

He would have been a more developed player come the summer, proving his talent more.

But even if it was only still Palace in for him. They took advantage because we couldnt wait to kick him out of the door.

Say 6 months further into his development, in the more active summer market, and crucially assuming we werent desperate and distressed sellers. You genuinely think none of them make a difference?

January or not if the big 6 thought they could get a good deal on a player then they would have been in for him.If they where really rating Wharton and thought 18 million was a bargain they would not have cared it was January. 

I don't think Wharton was having a very good season ,moments of pure class and quality but in the main certainly December onwards our midfield was being over run and we were conceding a lot and losing 

I think we would have got a few million more if sold in the summer with other clubs joining the race it wouldnt have been big 6 in for him nor would we have received bids of  £30 million  like some people here believe 

[roversfan99]

Who are even in the big 6 anymore?

[Exiled_Rover]

49 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

The fact the elite clubs didn’t bid says how raw he still was, they didn’t fancy dropping 17 million or whatever then and there for a squad player, unlike a Phillips that was a bit of pocket money for Tottenham - so as I say a normal club wouldn’t have been selling as you aren’t getting the price his potential would obviously lead to.

Parish spotted it and could offer first team PL football whilst he was at it.

 

Depends what you mean by 'raw'.

Was he the finished article? No.

Could he have walked into a dozen PL sides and started from day one? Yes. 

[Exiled_Rover]

17 minutes ago, islander200 said:

January or not if the big 6 thought they could get a good deal on a player then they would have been in for him.If they where really rating Wharton and thought 18 million was a bargain they would not have cared it was January. 

I don't think Wharton was having a very good season ,moments of pure class and quality but in the main certainly December onwards our midfield was being over run and we were conceding a lot and losing 

I think we would have got a few million more if sold in the summer with other clubs joining the race it wouldnt have been big 6 in for him nor would we have received bids of  £30 million  like some people here believe 

The 'big' clubs pushing for Europe sail close to the wind (with regards to FFP) - they often don't have £18m sat in their transfer kitty ready to splurge in January. 

[Mattyblue]

 I’m talking ‘raw’ I.e a first team place at an elite club, Palace obviously thought different…

Edited 4 hours ago by Mattyblue

[Blow-in]

The biggest problem with Wharton is that he needs quality around him to show how good he actually is. It was obvious within weeks of his move to the Premier League how much he benefitted from having talented players around him in midfield and good movement in front of him to pass to. 

 

As others have said we were eager sellers and Palace knew that. Bournemouth are a self sustaining club with no money worries and could afford to say no. Unfortunately you cannot compare the two clubs, what a shitty thing to have to admit. 

[islander200]

24 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

The 'big' clubs pushing for Europe sail close to the wind (with regards to FFP) - they often don't have £18m sat in their transfer kitty ready to splurge in January. 

It would have been paid over his contract, Liverpool City Arsenal Spurs etc etc etc could have put 4 or 5 million on that seasons books without any issue 

[Mattyblue]

You keep missing the point islander, we all know the big clubs weren’t interested (even though we knew he was a phenomenal talent), because in reality he hadn’t really done much in the grand scheme of things.

So you don’t sell until he had done much more and you *do* get the bidding war (but obviously the regime just wanted quick cash and didn’t give a fuck about that).

Edited 4 hours ago by Mattyblue

[chaddyrovers]

4 hours ago, arbitro said:

Wharton was the stand out young player in the Championship and in his first season we just missed out on the playoffs and he played very well too.

Do you really think Huijsen is worth over twice as much?

Firstly, different positions and Huijsen is highly regarded and other PL teams wanted him like Chelsea and Liverpool but Madrid is probably a dream move for him. He has shown his worth and is international player. His release clause was £50m and that fee was needed to get him. 

Wharton is building his PL career and a move to Palace 18 months probably was the right move for his development given he would be PL regular and show his talent where his talent is being seen. Dan Ashworth visited Ewood Park a number of times and I guess he was scouting Adam Wharton. 

[islander200]

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

You keep missing the point islander, we all know the big clubs weren’t interested (even though we knew he was a phenomenal talent), because in reality he hadn’t really done much in the grand scheme of things.

So you don’t sell until he had done much more and you *do* get the bidding war (but obviously the regime just wanted quick cash and didn’t give a fuck about that).

I'm not missing the point.

I was obviously against the sale and its a joke he had to go so early due to us needing the money but I think for the lads own career he would have had to move up the following summer anyway...yeah we probably would have got a couple of million more but not fees like £30 million that's been suggested and it would have been clubs like Palace  evertons etc buying him a mid table club.

[roversfan99]

How do you know that Dan Ashworth came to numerous games?

The move for him was a good one. The move for us wasnt, we were so desperate to get him out the door that rather than waiting until the summer, we subsequently got a lower fee than a club would that wasnt as desperate, that allowed him to develop and showcase his ability for longer and that was willing to wait until the much more active summer window would have done. Theres no way that especially considering the desperation to sell, that the fee could possibly have been as high as it would be had we been in a stronger negotiating position.

I am amazed that so many people still try to justify it. 

[chaddyrovers]

47 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

How do you know that Dan Ashworth came to numerous games?

How do you think RF99? Because I seen him at Ewood Park 

47 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I am amazed that so many people still try to justify it. 

I'm amazing we still debating the fee 18 months on from selling him. 

[islander200]

4 hours ago, arbitro said:

Adam was watched regularly by the top six PL clubs and I really think that one of them would have made a move in the summer. However we needed money quickly, Palace knew this and low balled us in the relatively safe knowledge we would accept.

 

But those big clubs could have bought him in the January for the price Palace did and loaned him back to us like we asked Palace to do.

I know football is mad these days  and clubs do stupid things but surely if the big clubs your Liverpools your city's Arsenal's etc wanted him they would have come in when they knew we needed money instead of waiting till summer where we might have been in a better position to hold out for more.

I think there was something putting them off with him and plus we were struggling last season and even with Wharton I honestly don't think results would been much different so just another few months trodding along with out of form our poor players alongside him. I accept more clubs than just Palace would bid for him in the summer which would have pushed his price up a little but not some of the figures being spoken about 

Rovers fan or not surely he would have had to have pushed for a move away in the summer especially when Szmodic was sold and we spend peanuts on unknown replacements .We should have been having a push and building around himself and Szmodic .The Whartons are rovers fans they are probably as fed up of the ownership as the majority of us are so for me he would have wanted to move up a level by summer anyway 

[M_B]

1 hour ago, islander200 said:

I'm not missing the point.

I was obviously against the sale and its a joke he had to go so early due to us needing the money but I think for the lads own career he would have had to move up the following summer anyway...yeah we probably would have got a couple of million more but not fees like £30 million that's been suggested and it would have been clubs like Palace  evertons etc buying him a mid table club.

That's more like the realistic scenario. Even if (and I certainly doubt it) that we got remotely close to £30 million, there's no way would the future sell on be as high as 15%.