Venky’s (& Suhail) Out Protest Ideas

[funny-old-game]

39 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:

We need to shut the circus down, and seek a hierarchy that functions with integrity , whilst are accountable for their actions.

If our current owners cannot implement the positive changes required for the club to rebuild then ultimately they need to go.

 

 

Do you get any feeling or feedback fom Venkys that they want to implement positive changes?

[wilsdenrover]

4 minutes ago, lraC said:

Can I ask why you went to the trouble to read that and do you have any comments positive or negative to make on it?

Can you also let me know where I can find them?

Thanks in advance.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-04/0187/en/230187en.pdf

[glen9mullan]

14 minutes ago, funny-old-game said:

Do you get any feeling or feedback fom Venkys that they want to implement positive changes?

No, they've gone underground too,

I know they are reading comms, but gone silent 

[Mattyblue]

So fundamentally the Coalition is not standing on a platform of wanting new owners?

WATR got a lot of stick re sticking to their long held stance of wanting communication and engagement with them, for wanting change at board level, but necessarily ownership.

But that is also the preferred outcome of the Coalition? Even though there is no indication as per Glen’s post above mine that they have any interest in changing course?

So ‘enough is enough’ is when? I’ll be honest I thought that’s where the Coalition already was, obviously I had the wrong impression.
 

Edited Wednesday at 11:33 by Mattyblue

[glen9mullan]

16 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

So fundamentally the Coalition is not standing on a platform of wanting new owners?

WATR got a lot of stick re sticking to their long held stance of wanting communication and engagement with them, for wanting change at board level, but necessarily ownership.

But reading Glen’s post that is also the preferred outcome of the Coalition? 
 

That's not what I've said,

I said my personal thoughts (we all have different) is we need to remove things systematically.

Toppling the king becomes easier by toppling the pawns.

We have to be realistic of what we can or cannot influence.

Piece by piece, is in my opinion the correct approach. Unless someone can come up with a viable plan how we remove the owners first?

I don't believe a single person in the coalition wants the Raos to own this club, me included. 

That's our opinion,

Removing them is an almighty challenge which requires deeper thoughts and a strategy that reaches the finish line with the desired outcome and hopefully better owners.

On your edited part "enough is enough" is exactly where we are.

We do not believe communication is worth a dime,

However we want to maintain the moral high ground of being amenable.  (We knew the club would avoid all communication, we banked on it) it's now one less bullet for them to crucify the supporters in their rebuttals.

Playing the game is exactly where we want to be, completely in control of our path without giving freebies to the club to beat us 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 11:50 by glen9mullan

[Browjd]

100% agree there are limits to what can be done if you do not have a channel of communication.

I still believe one of the ways to draw out Venkys into actually doing something (or not which still speaks volumes) is to actively source interested investors. Through our network, we must have some corporate financier, private equity professionals, well connected HNWs that could potentially gauge interest? The three amigos (now two) said that they would be present 'credible offers' to Venkys so let's find them....This interest (regardless of how concrete) would provide strong ammo for the Coalition to present to media. 

[funny-old-game]

24 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:

No, they've gone underground too,

I know they are reading comms, but gone silent 

Sounds like Suhail has got to them using deflection techniques to keep him safe 

[Mashed Potatoes]

39 minutes ago, lraC said:

Can I ask why you went to the trouble to read that and do you have any comments positive or negative to make on it?

Can you also let me know where I can find them?

Thanks in advance.

Google the words "Football Governance Bill House Of Commons Library" - and then go on to the link dated 23 April 2025. Scroll down that page to the words "Explanatory Notes" as of 27 March 2025. They run for 116 pages. For the purposes of what has been discussed on this thread I think you will find pages 40 to 52 the most relevant.

I was interested to see what is about to happen. My hunch is that fans are likely to be disappointed; I've seen comments on here about fans getting "more power" whereas that power is really limited to various heritage issues like club name or colour of shirts. I suspect it won't be too long before the Regulator is one of the most unpopular people in the country.

 

[Mashed Potatoes]

1 hour ago, glen9mullan said:

We fully understand the legislation, have members who have been part of building the structure for the said legislation. 

Everything we do, we review the legal side and are extremely thorough and strategic to mitigate against the balls falling on the wrong side of the net.

The Coalition is made up of a lot of people, differing opinions/skill sets and does not stifle or prevent the group's involved carrying out their own objectives or remits. Individual group activities have not ceased or paused by being part of a collective panel.

Respecting each groups objectives and opinions has been paramount and remains top of the agenda in terms of how the Coalition operates.

Selling the club would be one outcome many desire.

However from a personal point of view stability, strong competent leadership at Board Level and the removal of those whose do the club harm is at the forefront of my mind.

We may get new owners and a continued circus entrusted with running the club.

We need to shut the circus down, and seek a hierarchy that functions with integrity , whilst are accountable for their actions.

If our current owners cannot implement the positive changes required for the club to rebuild then ultimately they need to go.

I'm a firm believer that we should never shut a door completely, but by the same sentiment, never be afraid to open a new one.

We need to eat the elephant piece by piece.

In terms of new owners one objective of the Coalition (baring in mind resource levels), is to make Rovers a credible purchase, developing what can be achieved,  how and utilising data and market research to increase the attractiveness to potential buyers/investors.

As I've tried to maintain throughout in my posts,  I'm trying to be as transparent as I can without literally handing on a plate to the club what our current activities are.

The club continues to ignore individual supporter group/ supporter emails, with them going unanswered regarding SLT engagement.

Whilst their generic response to the Coalition, was they'll speak to the Fans Forum in July.

The Coalition website is due to go live which has been worked on by a working group within the team and hopefully it can be another vehicle to communicate what's being done by all the volunteers involved.

 

I note your points about the supporter engagement with the club,  it's 100% been getting discussed weekly by the panel, at the moment the club has put a brick wall up.

 

 

Thank you for this. I think the club with its history and excellent Academy would attract potential purchasers without too much difficulty. The difficult issue would be negotiating a price.

[Mattyblue]

Of course, Glen, has to piece by piece,

Apologies if I misread your post, as it initially red to me that though some may want a sale, a strong board was actually the aim. If that’s an initial, short term aim as we work towards a sale, then fair enough, who could disagree with that - as after fifteen years we know they won’t ever change course, or run the club in a professional way to help this club fulfill its potential, so a sale has to be the ultimate aim.

[Mike E]

7 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Thank you for this. I think the club with its history and excellent Academy would attract potential purchasers without too much difficulty. The difficult issue would be negotiating a price.

I’ve said before from my time in the Trust, in addition to those who made public offers (The two Ian’s, and the Qataris), there are at least 4 potential owners (I believe all are consortia) who had maintained an interest from when they first privately engaged Venkys up to at least the point I left the Trust a couple of years ago.

That means they were still interested during our L1 season.

Nobody should underestimate the appeal to new potential owners of the ‘kudos’ of ‘taking a founding member of the FL and PL back to the top’.

It holds real appeal for those people that can afford to play Football Manager in real life.

But it continues to beg the questions:

Why does that not appeal to Venkys?

Why do they not sell or seek external investment?

What is in it for them to cling to our carcass?

Edited Wednesday at 12:01 by Mike E

[lraC]

20 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-04/0187/en/230187en.pdf

That's one hell of a document to read and I would imagine most ordinary fans (myself included) are unlikely to read it and understand it.

Fair play to the coalition for doing so and Mashed Potato too and any other fan who has.

[wilsdenrover]

5 minutes ago, lraC said:

That's one hell of a document to read and I would imagine most ordinary fans (myself included) are unlikely to read it and understand it.

Fair play to the coalition for doing so and Mashed Potato too and any other fan who has.

I’ve no intention of reading it myself lol.

Maybe I should have linked this fact sheet too:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/football-governance-bill-2024-supporting-documents/fact-sheet-overview#:~:text=The legislation will strengthen the,need a licence to operate.

edited with correct link.

 

Edited Wednesday at 12:09 by wilsdenrover

[lraC]

11 minutes ago, Mike E said:

I’ve said before from my time in the Trust, in addition to those who made public offers (The two Ian’s, and the Qataris), there are at least 4 potential owners (I believe all are consortia) who had maintained an interest from when they first privately engaged Venkys up to at least the point I left the Trust a couple of years ago.

That means they were still interested during our L1 season.

Nobody should underestimate the appeal to new potential owners of the ‘kudos’ of ‘taking a founding member of the FL and PL back to the top’.

It holds real appeal for those people that can afford to play Football Manager in real life.

But it continues to beg the questions:

Why does that not appeal to Venkys?

Why do they not sell or seek external investment?

What is in it for them to cling to our carcass?

I have always maintained it is because they have something to hide, as nothing else makes any sense at all.

[glen9mullan]

Just a recap

Two and a half months ago we had No Coalition. We had Jack a brfcs poster reaching out and hitting a brick wall to try and get something moving. His passion and drive was something I felt I could get involved with and many others felt the same and also joined to form a powerful voice.

Fast forward to present day.

Every supporter group bar one and we are trying to get this one is part of the Coalition.

Our first action was applying pressure on Suhail, Waggott and Gestede with the total vote of no confidence. 

This lead to the three coming out into the open and one has now gone.

The pressure on the other two will remain.

The global press our now covering our story and desire for the removal of the Raos and their band of merry men.

Our story is going back into parliament and we've now got the MPs backing the Coalition.

We've so much going on across a near 30 person panel it's quite extraordinary in such a short space of time.

Things evolve by the minute and it's hard graft,  extremely hard graft as our family time and in some cases taking days of work is being totally used up to force a better future.

We are still in our infancy and many things need to be agreed, formulated and developed. 

We have no funds , just hard grafting people trying to make a positive difference for something we commonly share, our club.

Given the democratic make up (we don't need politics) we have to balance everything and get a majority buy in on all things.

No one person leads the coalition, it's a collective group of people.

Anybody can get involved and shape it's future.

There really is no blue print for the journey we are on.

Other clubs supporters actually use previous Rovers supporter actions for their blueprints.

I think we've come a long way in a short space of time, but have a long way to go. Its going to have it's bumps on the way, as we are all human.

We are all just football supporters equal to the next and don't have all the answers.

[lraC]

5 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:

Just a recap

Two and a half months ago we had No Coalition. We had Jack a brfcs poster reaching out and hitting a brick wall to try and get something moving. His passion and drive was something I felt I could get involved with and many others felt the same and also joined to form a powerful voice.

Fast forward to present day.

Every supporter group bar one and we are trying to get this one is part of the Coalition.

Our first action was applying pressure on Suhail, Waggott and Gestede with the total vote of no confidence. 

This lead to the three coming out into the open and one has now gone.

The pressure on the other two will remain.

The global press our now covering our story and desire for the removal of the Raos and their band of merry men.

Our story is going back into parliament and we've now got the MPs backing the Coalition.

We've so much going on across a near 30 person panel it's quite extraordinary in such a short space of time.

Things evolve by the minute and it's hard graft,  extremely hard graft as our family time and in some cases taking days of work is being totally used up to force a better future.

We are still in our infancy and many things need to be agreed, formulated and developed. 

We have no funds , just hard grafting people trying to make a positive difference for something we commonly share, our club.

Given the democratic make up (we don't need politics) we have to balance everything and get a majority buy in on all things.

No one person leads the coalition, it's a collective group of people.

Anybody can get involved and shape it's future.

There really is no blue print for the journey we are on.

Other clubs supporters actually use previous Rovers supporter actions for their blueprints.

I think we've come a long way in a short space of time, but have a long way to go. Its going to have it's bumps on the way, as we are all human.

We are all just football supporters equal to the next and don't have all the answers.

I know the coalition has succeeded in driving Waggott out and are now gunning for the other two.

I don't know if it is common knowledge yet, or even significant, but the house in at area where Pasha lives, appears to have been vacated.

[glen9mullan]

Just now, lraC said:

I know the coalition has succeeded in driving Waggott out and are now gunning for the other two.

I don't know if it is common knowledge yet, or even significant, but the house in at area where Pasha lives, appears to have been vacated.

Yes we are aware 😉

[BigUts]

Would there be any legs in engaging other supporter bases who are / have gone through similar owner issues?

Blackpool, Charlton, Reading, Pompey, Coventry even Liverpool fans to form some form of solidarity statement or actions? Getting a huge supporter base to make a bit of noise such as Liverpool fans would attract a lot of interest I would imagine 

[Exiled_Rover]

46 minutes ago, Browjd said:

100% agree there are limits to what can be done if you do not have a channel of communication.

I still believe one of the ways to draw out Venkys into actually doing something (or not which still speaks volumes) is to actively source interested investors. Through our network, we must have some corporate financier, private equity professionals, well connected HNWs that could potentially gauge interest? The three amigos (now two) said that they would be present 'credible offers' to Venkys so let's find them....This interest (regardless of how concrete) would provide strong ammo for the Coalition to present to media. 

What's the starting point for 'credible offers' though?

If the Venkys want their £200m back (I remain unconvinced it's all their money, but I digress) I can't see any of us having such contacts - nor is the club worth anything like that. 

It's an easy bar for the (now two) stooges to set though, knowing nobody is going to clear it. 

[RoverDom]

26 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

What's the starting point for 'credible offers' though?

If the Venkys want their £200m back (I remain unconvinced it's all their money, but I digress) I can't see any of us having such contacts - nor is the club worth anything like that. 

It's an easy bar for the (now two) stooges to set though, knowing nobody is going to clear it. 

The thing that they have to realise is there's three scenarios

1. We get PL money and they stand a chance of clawing their money back - but they need to run the club properly to do that

2. We stay in the championship and they hold out for their 200m but end up pumping in more and more money to maintain a championship club and before long 200 becomes 300 becomes 400 

3. They stop putting money in, we slide down the leagues and suddenly they're asking for £200m for a league 2 team. 

 

That £200m is dead money. They need to write it off. 

[TheRevAshton]

37 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:

Yes we are aware 😉

Could it be? Is he... gone? 👀

[wilsdenrover]

46 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

What's the starting point for 'credible offers' though?

If the Venkys want their £200m back (I remain unconvinced it's all their money, but I digress) I can't see any of us having such contacts - nor is the club worth anything like that. 

It's an easy bar for the (now two) stooges to set though, knowing nobody is going to clear it. 

The price they paid for the club was nowhere near all the money Jack and then his trust put in. 

Why do they think they should get every penny of their money back.

Dickheads. 

 

[funny-old-game]

30 minutes ago, TheRevAshton said:

Could it be? Is he... gone? 👀

🤞🤞🤞🤞

[funny-old-game]

11 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

The price they paid for the club was nowhere near all the money Jack and then his trust put in. 

Why do they think they should get every penny of their money back.

Dickheads. 

 

Very true including the Dickheads 

[funny-old-game]

32 minutes ago, TheRevAshton said:

Could it be? Is he... gone? 👀

Where's Wally (Pasha) now?