The Aynsley Pears depreciation thread.

[Blue blood]

1 hour ago, Upside Down said:

Well we played two seasons without an actual goalkeeper so I don't see the harm in it.

Which two are those? Because Walton, Steele and Pears all fit that description.

[simongarnerisgod]

1 minute ago, Blue blood said:

Which two are those? Because Walton, Steele and Pears all fit that description.

don`t forget wahlstadt,so terrible he made walton look quite good

[Upside Down]

1 hour ago, Blue blood said:

Which two are those? Because Walton, Steele and Pears all fit that description.

The two most recent I was referring to.

It seems a running theme with venky fc to have a shit goalkeeper. 

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, Andy said:

In fairness, his regular howlers and general incompetence at goalkeeping probably played a part.

Just his error in the Sheffield Weds home game alone; you wouldn't expect a non-league GK to do that.

I like to believe that VI came in, assessed what he saw and quickly came to the realisation that he had to get the waste of space out of the building as quickly as possible.
An England Youth GK is not a bad number 2, on balance.

Hes an 18 year old who in his first senior game made an error as bad as youll see leading to a goal 4 minutes in, 2 minutes after letting a shot go under him. He also got fortunate again spilling a simple shot back into danger.

Pears is poor but you have lost all sense of balance with him. He is still an actual senior goalkeeper who is a far safer bet than Michalski. He is very much a bad number 2 keeper, as he is today, at this level.

[Upside Down]

26 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Hes an 18 year old who in his first senior game made an error as bad as youll see leading to a goal 4 minutes in, 2 minutes after letting a shot go under him. He also got fortunate again spilling a simple shot back into danger.

Pears is poor but you have lost all sense of balance with him. He is still an actual senior goalkeeper who is a far safer bet than Michalski. He is very much a bad number 2 keeper, as he is today, at this level.

When it comes to shot stopping and quick reaction saves Pears is pretty good. That's his strength. 

Where he's really really poor is decision making, positioning and ability to read things as they unfold.

Last season our defence was rock solid and took a lot of the decision making away from him so that all ge really had to do was make the odd save, which he did well. When the defence started to pick up injuries he was left mith more to do and it all turned to custard. 

Personally, after that Sheffield Wednesday game I was completely done with him. He nearly got the club relegated single handedly with his sheer incompetence. 

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Hes an 18 year old who in his first senior game made an error as bad as youll see leading to a goal 4 minutes in, 2 minutes after letting a shot go under him. He also got fortunate again spilling a simple shot back into danger.

Pears is poor but you have lost all sense of balance with him. He is still an actual senior goalkeeper who is a far safer bet than Michalski. He is very much a bad number 2 keeper, as he is today, at this level.

Very harsh on Michalski. First game and was nervous. 

Pears isnt even 3rd choice and would I suggest it has nothing wages but the possible actions his over the summer

 

You wanted rid of Pears for ages now you want him to stay as number 2 to Toth

Edited 11 hours ago by chaddyrovers

[danger19_80]

6 hours ago, Upside Down said:

Personally, after that Sheffield Wednesday game I was completely done with him. He nearly got the club relegated single handedly with his sheer incompetence. 

Absolutely the same. Still can't believe he did that in such a crucial game. Thank god for Sammie Szmodics. I want Pears gone and out of the club, worst keeper we've ever had. 

Edited 7 hours ago by danger19_80

[roversfan99]

4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Very harsh on Michalski. First game and was nervous. 

Pears isnt even 3rd choice and would I suggest it has nothing wages but the possible actions his over the summer

 

You wanted rid of Pears for ages now you want him to stay as number 2 to Toth

Its not harsh. Hes 18 years old, it would be harsh on him by the club to expect him to be second choice at this stage. 

I didnt say I want Pears to stay. I want him to be replaced really. If he did stay and/or in the mean time, he should be second choice over Michalski.

6 hours ago, Upside Down said:

When it comes to shot stopping and quick reaction saves Pears is pretty good. That's his strength. 

Where he's really really poor is decision making, positioning and ability to read things as they unfold.

Last season our defence was rock solid and took a lot of the decision making away from him so that all ge really had to do was make the odd save, which he did well. When the defence started to pick up injuries he was left mith more to do and it all turned to custard. 

Personally, after that Sheffield Wednesday game I was completely done with him. He nearly got the club relegated single handedly with his sheer incompetence. 

To be fair, Venkys were the ones who nearly relegated us single handedly.

I certainly dont rate Pears, but my point is that he is still a more capable deputy than an 18 year old who clearly isnt close to being ready for Championship football. I would want a new senior goalkeeper but such is the cost cutting, they will probably want a kid who is clearly nowhere near ready to be backup.

[KentExile]

57 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Its not harsh. Hes 18 years old, it would be harsh on him by the club to expect him to be second choice at this stage. 

Not only that, Michalski sat on the bench week after week will also stifle his development, which in the medium & long term benefits neither Rovers, nor Michalski

He needs to be out on loan in the National League or NLN playing week in, week out

But hey ho, saving a few pennies in the here & now is all that matters, apparently

Edit - also given his age means that he does not need to be registered in the 25 man squad.  a non league loan would mean he could be recalled by Rovers outside of a transfer window should Rovers have an injury crisis (same "loophole" as Montgomery at the back end of last season)

 

Edited 5 hours ago by KentExile

[Andy]

7 hours ago, Upside Down said:

Personally, after that Sheffield Wednesday game I was completely done with him. He nearly got the club relegated single handedly with his sheer incompetence. 

This.

And the most worrying thing is that this wasn't just a one-off mistake, he makes them regularly.

When you throw his positional deficiencies into the mix, it just baffles me how he's played so many games for us.
Being a decent shot shopper just isn't enough for a GK at this level, you need to have a rounded level of general competence - and Pears just doesn't have it.

As a backup to Toth, I don't mind too much. But I would much prefer Michalski to get the opportunity to play our cup and occasional league matches (unless a decent loan can be found for him).

[roversfan99]

Michalski is not ready. There are no cup games until Jan partly because of his performance. We have to have senior cover because if he is chucked in at Championship level, it will cost us points.

None of that is a criticism, hes 18. Shouldnt be an immediate Championship deputy.

[Tomphil2]

If we are destined to fight a relegation this season, sorry transition this season then we need a capable back up keeper not a rookie whose already in one game thrown away a goal.

Beyond stupid to gamble on otherwise and at the moment that back up is Pears, only an idiot would get rid of him just to allow a kid to be backup.

[Waggy76]

2 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

If we are destined to fight a relegation this season, sorry transition this season then we need a capable back up keeper not a rookie whose already in one game thrown away a goal.

Beyond stupid to gamble on otherwise and at the moment that back up is Pears, only an idiot would get rid of him just to allow a kid to be backup.

You can't do that , think of the Academy minutes !

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Its not harsh. Hes 18 years old, it would be harsh on him by the club to expect him to be second choice at this stage. 

I didnt say I want Pears to stay. I want him to be replaced really. If he did stay and/or in the mean time, he should be second choice over Michalski.

No it's on harsh from you. You were against him being number 2 from the start. 

 

32 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Michalski is not ready. There are no cup games until Jan partly because of his performance. We have to have senior cover because if he is chucked in at Championship level, it will cost us points.

None of that is a criticism, hes 18. Shouldnt be an immediate Championship deputy.

Based on one game? 

So much for patience with youth players from you!

Senior cover? Pears isnt even 3rd choice ATM and if the rumours are true when can he play next? 

[Tomphil2]

38 minutes ago, Waggy76 said:

You can't do that , think of the Academy minutes !

Think of getting rid of 6-8 grand a week and replacing with a grand a week....🫣

[KentExile]

15 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Senior cover? Pears isnt even 3rd choice ATM and if the rumours are true when can he play next? 

But that is not because of purely football reasons

If this was a purely football decision, Michalski would be loaned out to play (rather than sit on the bench) for his development & Pears would either be 2nd choice, or replaced with another senior keeper

Edited 4 hours ago by KentExile

[roversfan99]

12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

No it's on harsh from you. You were against him being number 2 from the start. 

 

Based on one game? 

So much for patience with youth players from you!

Senior cover? Pears isnt even 3rd choice ATM and if the rumours are true when can he play next? 

I was against him being number 2 from the start, correct. He is a bloody untested 18 year old. Well, he was tested once against a League 1 side and failed the test. Its too early. Its not fair on him to put him in a position where a Toth injury leaves him playing games at a level hes not ready for, it will do him damage and it will jeopardise our chances of survival.

Its not about being patient. Hes 18. If we chucked in a 15 year old tomorrow and he struggled and I said he isnt ready, would that again just be me showing an unreasonable lack of patience?

Pears should be 2nd choice until a senior replacement is found. He isnt beyond 3rd choice for footballing reasons.

Stop just swallowing everything the club says and does. You never quite commit to saying that you DEFINITELY would have Michalski as 2nd choice, but you defend it nonetheless. Would you be happy with him as 2nd choice? If Toth has got a knock during the week, would you be nervous or comfortable if he started tomorrow?

[Tomphil2]

I've defended Pears in that past but there is definitely something not wired up right with him if the rumours are true and i don't doubt they are.

 

[chaddyrovers]

22 minutes ago, KentExile said:

But that is not because of purely football reasons

If this was a purely football decision, Michalski would be loaned out to play (rather than sit on the bench) for his development & Pears would either be 2nd choice, or replaced with another senior keeper

Hopefully Jackson or Bayes will ask about this 

[chaddyrovers]

22 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I was against him being number 2 from the start, correct. He is a bloody untested 18 year old. Well, he was tested once against a League 1 side and failed the test. Its too early. Its not fair on him to put him in a position where a Toth injury leaves him playing games at a level hes not ready for, it will do him damage and it will jeopardise our chances of survival.

It's was one game. He made a mistake. 

22 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Pears should be 2nd choice until a senior replacement is found. He isnt beyond 3rd choice for footballing reasons.

With sometimes private matters could into the decision making process

22 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Stop just swallowing everything the club says and does.

Same old boring comments. Maybe what has rumour gone on as actually happen but that's doesn't suit viewpoint. 

22 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You never quite commit to saying that you DEFINITELY would have Michalski as 2nd choice, but you defend it nonetheless. Would you be happy with him as 2nd choice? If Toth has got a knock during the week, would you be nervous or comfortable if he started tomorrow?

I said if Pears went I would like a replacement to fight for back up. Toth has proved his worth as number. 

Yes I would be fine starting him whilst being nervous for him cos of people like yourself mirco scrutinising his every move, touch and save instead of actually getting behind him and supporting him

[Parsonblue]

7 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Very harsh on Michalski. First game and was nervous. 

Pears isnt even 3rd choice and would I suggest it has nothing wages but the possible actions his over the summer

 

You wanted rid of Pears for ages now you want him to stay as number 2 to Toth

At Michalski's young age he shouldn't be sat on the bench every week.  He is just starting to learn his trade as a professional footballer.  If you look at the stats over the past few seasons, the number 2 goalkeeper plays very little football during the course of the season.  

As for the mistake, I've seen him do the same thing at Under-21 level, but there he can get away with it.  He needs to follow the same path as Raya.  Go out on loan and learn your trade playing every week in games that matter.  I think Michalski could be an outstanding goalkeeper from what I have seen of him.  However, he won't be if he spends the next twelve months sat on the bench every week.

If Pears isn't going to fill the number 2 role, then we need to go out and bring in another experienced 'keeper who will challenge Toth.

[roversfan99]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

It's was one game. He made a mistake. 

With sometimes private matters could into the decision making process

Same old boring comments. Maybe what has rumour gone on as actually happen but that's doesn't suit viewpoint. 

I said if Pears went I would like a replacement to fight for back up. Toth has proved his worth as number. 

Yes I would be fine starting him whilst being nervous for him cos of people like yourself mirco scrutinising his every move, touch and save instead of actually getting behind him and supporting him

Can you answer how anything I have done will have affected him in any way? 

It doesnt need "micro scrutinising." It wasnt a minor mistake, it was a gigantic one which pretty much killed the game after 4 minutes. Off the back of some questionable keeping for the first.

He shouldnt be playing senior football for a Championship team. He is an 18 year old keeper who in one senior appearance showed that he blatantly is nowhere near ready. He should either be playing for the under 21s or be in non league on loan.

You also want senior cover for Toth, but for some reason you seem to want to argue for arguments sake, presumably aware that theres a chance that a penny pinching, dysfunctional club like ourselves are probably stupid enough to go into a Championship season with one senior keeper. And suggesting that I wouldnt or havent been supporting him. Deplorable, meaningless rubbish. 

[JPTSwindon]

Frustrating that we were out of the League Cup so quickly as another 'easier' draw would have given us another chance to look at our no.2 keeper.

As per earlier posts, suspect Pears (fair enough) having waited so long to be the established no.1, didn't want to be a no.2 again at this stage of his career, plus he (in theory) has some transfer value (which we desperately need) and wages that the club want off the books.

On balance he was a reasonable keeper, but much harder to move on a dropped keeper, than one on a good run (which he did have a few times).