Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

[chaddyrovers]

11 hours ago, Waggy76 said:

Ismael had a couple of dead rubbers too at the end of last season! 

There were NO dead rubbers. 

11 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Ismaels win record so far is 29.4% and his points per game is 1.06.

For comparisons sake, Owen Coyle had equivalent stats of 29.73% and 1.11.

Right? So what your overall point here? 

Are the players playing for Ismael? 

Does the team look well coach and drilled? 

[London blue]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Right? So what your overall point here? 

Are the players playing for Ismael? 

Does the team look well coach and drilled? 

I think his point might be that VI's win % is shit.

[RTM08]

32 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

There were NO dead rubbers. 

Right? So what your overall point here? 

Are the players playing for Ismael? 

Does the team look well coach and drilled? 

They can be as well drilled as they want but if the tactics are crap you're still going to lose more often than not.

For example: Russell Martin

[chaddyrovers]

17 minutes ago, RTM08 said:

They can be as well drilled as they want but if the tactics are crap you're still going to lose more often than not.

For example: Russell Martin

Tactics isn't the problem. 

[MarkBRFC]

50 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Does the team look well coach and drilled? 

I wouldn't say so.

Ismael just isn't very good Chaddy, you figured that out after a few games but spectacularly backtracked for some reason.

Granted recruitment hasn't helped him out much replacing most of our championship experience with cheap foreign punts, but still.

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, MarkBRFC said:

I wouldn't say so.

Ismael just isn't very good Chaddy, you figured that out after a few games but spectacularly backtracked for some reason.

Granted recruitment hasn't helped him out much replacing most of our championship experience with cheap foreign punts, but still.

After last win, everything was rosy. Now after yesterday's loss, they team isn't well drilled. 

Far too early to judge our signings. Some have look good so far and some not. 

[MarkBRFC]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

After last win, everything was rosy. Now after yesterday's loss, they team isn't well drilled. 

Far too early to judge our signings. Some have look good so far and some not. 

Last week's game was an outlier against a side ravaged with injury and illness, most sensible folk could see that.

[RevidgeBlue]

51 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

There were NO dead rubbers. 

Right? So what your overall point here? 

Are the players playing for Ismael? 

Does the team look well coach and drilled? 

If I can reply in your style:

What point are you trying to make?

Have we not just lost four out of five? Are you saying that's good enough?

If the players are trying and well drilled now, how can we possibly expect any improvement?

 

[chaddyrovers]

6 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Last week's game was an outlier against a side ravaged with injury and illness, most sensible folk could see that.

Yes excuses out now we lost yesterday. Typical 

 

[chaddyrovers]

6 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

If I can reply in your style:

What point are you trying to make?

Have we not just lost four out of five? Are you saying that's good enough?

If the players are trying and well drilled now, how can we possibly expect any improvement?

 

Look at the context of the each league game. We should have a point yesterday and win against Birmingham. Would you had been complaining then. Of course not Rev. 

McLoughlin should have better yesterday even so second half performance was very good and we made them look poor. Should have that point today

Also you got to let new signings settle in. 

[JHRover]

6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Look at the context of the each league game. We should have a point yesterday and win against Birmingham. Would you had been complaining then. Of course not Rev. 

McLoughlin should have better yesterday even so second half performance was very good and we made them look poor. Should have that point today

Also you got to let new signings settle in. 

Should have, would have, could have, context needed, performances good - all meaningless

3 points from 12, 1 win and 4 defeats is all that matters and if that doesn't alarm you then I think you are deluded. 

[OnionBalaji]

19 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Look at the context of the each league game. We should have a point yesterday and win against Birmingham. Would you had been complaining then. Of course not Rev. 

McLoughlin should have better yesterday even so second half performance was very good and we made them look poor. Should have that point today

Also you got to let new signings settle in. 

The only thing that matters come May is points on the board … not missed opportunities 

[chaddyrovers]

20 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Should have, would have, could have, context needed, performances good - all meaningless

3 points from 12, 1 win and 3 defeats is all that matters and if that doesn't alarm you then I think you are deluded. 

No its doesn't alarm me at all. We were better team against Birmingham and yesterday we deserved a point

[MarkBRFC]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

No its doesn't alarm me at all. We were better team against Birmingham and yesterday we deserved a point

Being the better team and losing is the sign of a side that will struggle.

We got exactly what we deserved against Birmingham because we have took out over 1000 games experience at this level to be replaced with just over 100.

We did not deserve a point yesterday, they sat off us in second half and let us have the ball as they were comfortable that we wouldn't hurt them.

They should have been going into half time 3-0 up.

[Hasta]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Look at the context of the each league game. We should have a point yesterday and win against Birmingham. Would you had been complaining then. Of course not Rev. 

McLoughlin should have better yesterday even so second half performance was very good and we made them look poor. Should have that point today

Also you got to let new signings settle in. 

We shouldn’t have had a point yesterday as we had no one good enough to put the ball in the net, something we have been highlighting all summer Against Birmingham, we got what we deserved due to a lack of individual quality in the last 5 minutes. Downgrade your players and that’s what happens. The individual performances so far have been less that what we were used to from those they have replaced. Let’s hope they either adapt or improve quickly.

You say tactics isn’t the problem. I’m inclined to agree. It’s the quality of the players why we have lost 4 out of 5. Otherwise what else are we blaming? Luck? Referees?

Edited 4 hours ago by Hasta

[rog of the rovers]

As a keen statistician myself I am seeing some wrong information being shown.

A lot of the Coyle v Ismael stats is like comparing apples to pears. League games only show their own details. Coyle had 7 wins in 31. Ismael has 5 in 17.

Also key to note with Coyle’s overall record is cup wins, of which he had 4 of his 11 wins in cup competitions (beating Crewe, Mansfield, Blackpool and QPR)

 

Edited 6 hours ago by rog of the rovers

[Hasta]

7 minutes ago, rog of the rovers said:

As a keen statistician myself I am seeing some wrong information being shown.

Also key to note with Coyle’s overall record is cup wins, of which he had 4/11 wins in cup competitions (beating Crewe, Mansfield, Blackpool and QPR)

 

Let’s hope Ismael can pad his record out by beating shit sides in the cups. Oh wait..

Transfermrkt has Owen Coyle at 1.11 ppg at Rovers and Ismael at 1.06

Edited 6 hours ago by Hasta

[rog of the rovers]

My own stats admittedly but Coyle definitely had 29 points from 31 games before he was sacked.

Last Championship game he had was vs. Sheffield Wednesday (a) 14/2/17

My table obviously doesn't award points for cup wins!

Edited 6 hours ago by rog of the rovers

[Wendal]

We’re showing all the classic signs of a team destined for relegation - not winning our easy home games, playing well and losing, missing good chances, performances littered with individual errors, naive players with no aggression.

The managers comments are also concerning - he said the 1st half was ‘50/50’ and we gave a good performance - Norwich had 8 shots on goal and should have been 2-0 up before the penalty.

These are Steve Kean and Owen Coyle levels of delusion from a manager whose win percentage at Rovers is identical to theirs. 

[Hasta]

3 minutes ago, rog of the rovers said:

My own stats admittedly

Yeah I get what you get for Coyle so Transfermarkt has it wrong.

[rog of the rovers]

Full data from Gary Bowyer to present

 

[roversfan99]

3 hours ago, MarkBRFC said:

Is that over there first 16 games each, or is it over Ismaels 16 league games vs Coyles 31 league games?

I'm guessing the latter, if we're going to be fair we should compare there first 16 league games against each other.

Ismael - Won 5, Drew 3, Lost 8

Coyle - Won 3, Drew 4, Lost 9

18pts from 16 games for Ismael, 13pts from 16 for Coyle.

Fair enough. Maybe included cup games. Still not good though.

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

There were NO dead rubbers. 

Right? So what your overall point here? 

Are the players playing for Ismael? 

Does the team look well coach and drilled? 

I was not making a point. I was showing stats which seemingly included cup games so @MarkBRFC has updated.

My opinion is that my gut feeling is that Ismael isnt a good manager. A huge downgrade on Eustace. Do we look well coached? Not particularly.

He is here for the duration either way as he was given such a long contract that we cant afford to pay off.

Not that I am saying that we should sack him at the moment before you twist it.

Obviously you have lost your credibility on the issue considering your huge u-turn.

[MarkBRFC]

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

 

My opinion is that my gut feeling is that Ismael isnt a good manager. A huge downgrade on Eustace. Do we look well coached? Not particularly.

Completely agree on this.

[gazzaa2]

Eustace had us punching above our weight last season. Once he left the points per game was more realistic and he's took half the team with him.

The season before we stayed up on the last day despite having the league's top scorer and Adam Wharton for half the season. 

We're a bottom end of the league team.

 

[Frederick]

24 minutes ago, gazzaa2 said:

Eustace had us punching above our weight last season. Once he left the points per game was more realistic and he's took half the team with him.

The season before we stayed up on the last day despite having the league's top scorer and Adam Wharton for half the season. 

We're a bottom end of the league team.

 

we’re absolutely doomed this season if we get pulled into a relegation battle. The players have no experience in the championship whatsoever.