RevidgeBlue Posted Sunday at 11:54 Posted Sunday at 11:54 Hell of a lot of talent we've allowed to walk out for free over the last few years Lenihan, Rothwell, Nyambe, Brereton, Dolan, to be followed eventually by Travis and Tronstad? And we're likely only getting a fee for Brittain because he's forced the issue. We've never really grasped the significance of this Bosman lark have we? 1 Quote
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Rover84 Posted Sunday at 11:55 Posted Sunday at 11:55 9 minutes ago, roversfan99 said: We supposedly needed a cover right back and this new lad was billed as that. Nominal fee, one to develop. So if we cant pay a fee for another one having sold Brittain then theres something up. Agree, unless club did things the right way and brought in CB replacement before selling him. Anything the club states needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. Shouldnβt be like that, just what theyβve made us to think all these yearsΒ 1 Quote
JCRovers Posted Sunday at 11:56 Posted Sunday at 11:56 23 minutes ago, Forever Blue said: Again causation and correlation. Youβre really struggling with this!Β Haha, didn't know I was dealing with a 'smartass' here. RIght, so individual errors are to be expected because a manager plays a certain way? Player don't carry any responsibility whatsoever? You tell me if Hyam's performance during that infamous 5-0 defeat against Bristol City back in 23/24 can be excused for 'poor management' by Eustace. Ridiculous. 2 Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted Sunday at 11:59 Posted Sunday at 11:59 (edited) 12 minutes ago, bluebruce said: If we do actually sign Baradji (dubious at this point) we very likely are paying a sizeable fee by our standards. Unlike the others, in excess of 2 mill probably is his going rate. Richer clubs have been sniffing previously. Ok.Β It's not happening though is it? If it hadn't been a foot injury something would have happened somewhere along the line to scupper the deal in O Brien/ Mcguire/ "someone else has made them an offer they want to take" style. Edit: If however we do go back in for him once the injury has cleared up, and get the deal done I'll emerge from behind the grassy knoll with my "Conspiracy Nutter!" hat on and hold my hands up. π Edited Sunday at 12:09 by RevidgeBlue Quote
USABlue Posted Sunday at 12:13 Posted Sunday at 12:13 3 hours ago, Torgeir said: Hyam will probably be happy to extent on his current terms whereas Tronstad they are probably lowballing and Travis will definitely want a pay-rise.Β Β Canβt believe our luck sometimes alsoβ¦ stress fracture. How severe can it be if he didnβt notice? Thing is, IIRC Hyam was crap without Baath. Quote
JCRovers Posted Sunday at 12:13 Posted Sunday at 12:13 9 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: Brittain not long ago said he wanted to stay too and no you said if hyam was that good why hasnβt there been bids for him considering heβs in his last yearΒ Clubs in the Championship rate Brittain. I'm sure they rate Tronstad as well. If we're lucky, he might still want to stay even if bids do come in for him. You should ask yourself why there was no urgency from the club to renew Brittain's contract given he was one of our best players last season. That alone is enough reason for a player to suddenly change his mind and wanting to explore other options once bids come in.Β Β 1 Quote
Emerald Isle Rover Posted Sunday at 12:15 Posted Sunday at 12:15 Just now, JCRovers said: Clubs in the Championship rate Brittain. I'm sure they rate Tronstad as well. If we're lucky, he might still want to stay even if bids do come in for him. You should ask yourself why there was no urgency from the club to renew Brittain's contract given he was one of our best players last season. That alone is enough reason for a player to suddenly change his mind and wanting to explore other options once bids come in.Β Β I asked myself that question all summer itβs a disgrace they havenβt been offered fair dealsβ¦.but for you to say say the reason no clubs are in for hyam who is also in his last year is because he isnβt that good isnβt exactly true thatβs my point. 1 Quote
USABlue Posted Sunday at 12:16 Posted Sunday at 12:16 3 hours ago, KentExile said: Duru in reserve... once he is fit again As per Gestede - "we need to increase the minutes on the pitch for our academy players" missing a bit, "because our owners will not invest in players we need" 8 Quote
Rogerb Posted Sunday at 12:17 Posted Sunday at 12:17 1 hour ago, roversfan99 said: Hes not inconsistent, he has had 2 full seasons of consistent performances. I dont get how when Carter comes in, who is hardly a youngster himself now, and performs poorly coinciding with an overall poorer defence, he gets no criticism and it all goes to Hyam for not leading him through it. He has done well with Batth, well with Ayala, well with Wharton, well in a back 4, well in a back 3, but has been worse when Carter who himself hasnt played well in the last 2 years has come in. Makes no sense to pin all that on Hyam. All the examples of playing well are as a right CB. When Carter plays Hyam is the left CB. Not his favoured position so form suffers. 2 Quote
JCRovers Posted Sunday at 12:21 Posted Sunday at 12:21 2 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said: I asked myself that question all summer itβs a disgrace they havenβt been offered fair dealsβ¦.but for you to say say the reason no clubs are in for hyam who is also in his last year is because he isnβt that good isnβt exactly true thatβs my point. Fair enough. We all have our opinions on Hyam. Given recent history though, I'm just hoping that we bring in an experienced defender with leadership qualities to help out the team. Not buying the club's official stance that Batth doesn't need to be replaced.Β Quote
USABlue Posted Sunday at 12:22 Posted Sunday at 12:22 1 hour ago, Waggy76 said: History ! We seem to be getting one every window now.Β Good player, decent wages, decent transfer money then it collapses.Β We have form for this every windowΒ 2 Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted Sunday at 12:24 Posted Sunday at 12:24 5 minutes ago, Rogerb said: All the examples of playing well are as a right CB. When Carter plays Hyam is the left CB. Not his favoured position so form suffers. Was he playing at left CB in the second half of his first season? (Genuine question as I dont specifically recall) Quote
M_B Posted Sunday at 12:30 Posted Sunday at 12:30 1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said: Ah the good old Chaddy approach. If anyone leaves, "They were never that good anyway". You've totally misunderstood the point, if that's your reply. Β Quote
USABlue Posted Sunday at 12:31 Posted Sunday at 12:31 Quite sire if I had a stress fracture in me foot I would limp some.Β Quote
M_B Posted Sunday at 12:33 Posted Sunday at 12:33 1 minute ago, USABlue said: Quite sire if I had a stress fracture in me foot I would limp some.Β Who has a stress fracture?Β Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted Sunday at 12:41 Posted Sunday at 12:41 9 minutes ago, M_B said: You've totally misunderstood the point, if that's your reply. Β Ah OK, thought you were on about Batth not Hyam. Apologies. Quote
BankEnd Rover Posted Sunday at 12:42 Posted Sunday at 12:42 8 minutes ago, M_B said: Who has a stress fracture?Β Lad we are trying to sign - Β baradji (apparently) 1 Quote
bluebruce Posted Sunday at 12:49 Posted Sunday at 12:49 26 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said: Surely all of those things are on hand when you're performing a medical? You wouldn't have a specialist at hand for a condition you don't know exists yet. Quote
chaddyrovers Posted Sunday at 13:01 Posted Sunday at 13:01 4 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said: I thought weβd signed a right back ? Regarding the lad who played there yesterday - he got forward a lot but nothing came of it. He got into several good crossing positions and passed the ball back into midfield or to the centre backs. But if Brittain does leave then we need to replace him like for like?Β You Montgomery played there and did very well and got high up the pitch with Ribeiro took in making its a 3-4-2-1 when attacking. Montgomery is young and he almost got an assist when he did cross the ball into the box and Stanley player knock it against the bar.Β 4 hours ago, Ossydave said: Carter's already hobbled off injured in his first game of the season, that's part of the reason a new Hyam contract would be very much welcomed, at least he can stay bloody fit he was cramp in the same area as his previous injury so took him as precaution and will go for a scan this week 3 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said: I think Hyam was playing next to Wharton when he had one of his few good spells in the first half of his first season. when we were playing 3 at the back under JDTΒ Quote
simongarnerisgod Posted Sunday at 13:07 Posted Sunday at 13:07 49 minutes ago, USABlue said: missing a bit, "because our owners will not invest in players we need" even after grossing 30 million in player salesπ‘ Quote
chaddyrovers Posted Sunday at 13:09 Posted Sunday at 13:09 3 hours ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said: Club have said they aren't replacing Batth.Β Rovers said they want a centre back signing 2 hours ago, M_B said: I think Batth and HyamΒ complemented one another, could be argued if Batth was so good, why did Sunderland let him go.Β great point and one being completely overlooked by some.Β Also Carter is 25 years old and is no longer a young player but someone who is experience at this level. He has 89 championship games.Β 2 hours ago, BankEnd Rover said: Excuse my naivety on this, but if the rumours of baradji failing a medical are true then is it not normal for a club to try again in let's say a few weeks? Can the club not negotiate with the seller to maybe drop the price and add more onto let's say a sell on or something?Β Β I've seen a report this morning about Celtic needing to add depth and may look at re-visiting the situation further down the line. his medical has shown some problems so he has gone back to Switzerland now whilst Rovers look further into the medical and the problems behind.Β Probably could re-negotiation the fee we are paying and instead of paying the fee over 2 or 3 payments, make these clauses based on appearances and how he does hereΒ Quote
TugaysMarlboro Posted Sunday at 13:13 Posted Sunday at 13:13 2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: Rovers said they want a centre back signing great point and one being completely overlooked by some.Β Also Carter is 25 years old and is no longer a young player but someone who is experience at this level. He has 89 championship games.Β his medical has shown some problems so he has gone back to Switzerland now whilst Rovers look further into the medical and the problems behind.Β Probably could re-negotiation the fee we are paying and instead of paying the fee over 2 or 3 payments, make these clauses based on appearances and how he does hereΒ To be fair, the club said they wanted a centre back and had offered Batth a contract at that time. My assumption was that if Batth didn't renew, we would want a replacement for him as well as another centre back. However the club have now said they aren't going to replace Batth. Quote
wilsdenrover Posted Sunday at 13:14 Posted Sunday at 13:14 1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said: Hell of a lot of talent we've allowed to walk out for free over the last few years Lenihan, Rothwell, Nyambe, Brereton, Dolan, to be followed eventually by Travis and Tronstad? And we're likely only getting a fee for Brittain because he's forced the issue. We've never really grasped the significance of this Bosman lark have we? Have you finally seen the light? π 3 Quote
RTM08 Posted Sunday at 13:19 Posted Sunday at 13:19 2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said: great point and one being completely overlooked by some.Β Also Carter is 25 years old and is no longer a young player but someone who is experience at this level. He has 89 championship games.Β Batth was let go by Sunderland because they improved their squad to challenge for promotion and actually spend money. We clearly have no interest in promotion based on the last 10 years, nor do we have two pennies to rub together, so we're shopping in a completely different basket. He's still leagues ahead of anything it looks like we'll spend on.Β Doesn't mean he isn't good for our level, just not good enough for teams at the top end with real ambition and financial backing. 1 Quote
chaddyrovers Posted Sunday at 13:25 Posted Sunday at 13:25 4 hours ago, roversfan99 said: How do you know that he was offered Β£8-10k? Youve just made that figure up and I would be very surprised if it was that high. Talk about "team structures" etc is naive. If hes being massively underpaid he wont sign, no one would. Its not like he is playing for a club with any ambition either. Him not having decided by now does not prove any bad advice. As I said, if he ends up downgrading and on a short term deal at a lower level, then I will accept that its similar to Nyambe. If he ends up at the level of team you mention, then he hasnt been given bad advice, hes made a move to a similar level of club but with more money and more ambition. just like yourself talking about about Rovers not offering Dolan what a good contract offer which you don't know and just made that up.Β I reckon in my opinion that Dolan was offered something like that but didn't accept that.Β You don't know if he had any concreate offers in yet and given he and his agent would have know for months he wasn't re-sign here so would have put the feelers out plus factoring what that club chairman in Turkey about his demands. Given that he is 13 days after he left here and he hasn't sign for anyone would suggest either his demands are too high or other clubs don't rate him as highly as we did. If they did he would have signed for someone, the fact he hasn't and is training alone. If you genuinely think he is mulling over some offers and its taking this long to make a decision then fine but I think you are way off.Β 4 hours ago, roversfan99 said: Good to see you talking sense on the contracts after previously shutting me down for constantly banging on about it. Now you can see why it was so important as its taking over the summer. I don't shut you down but just said we were all aware of it and didn't need to be constantly reminded of it by yourselfΒ Β 4 hours ago, roversfan99 said: Seems like some of those "stories" are just filling lines to get something out for those loyal patreon subscribers. Legia Warsaw were playing the team who finished 3rd in Kazakhstan. Obviously they are expecting to go through. If thats not a deal thats happening, move on to someone else. Also with the midfielder who has failed a medical, why is that dragging on? Again, surely thats one that cant happen now It would be good if Hyam signed a new deal but im sick of hearing that we will offer x a new deal. Until its done its irrelevant. Tronstad and Travis are the elephants in the room. We need to get some new players in to fill those key positions ASAP.Β Β But yet you love to comments on his stories don't you.Β Rovers want to further checks in this injury.Β Β Quote
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