Jordan Rhodes =Loans Manager

[chaddyrovers]

8 hours ago, Mike E said:

Like I’ve said, I don’t specifically have a problem with Rhodes in the role, he COULD be fine.

But I feel like a club of our stature, utilising a relatively new role (previously an in-house responsibility of other staff) we would get someone who at least had experience of coaching or scouting, let alone the actual role itself.

Even purely thinking of ex-players, Dunn, Neill, even ex-academy Keith Brown all have more qualification than Rhodes.

@KentExile has posted his CV so matched most of it what we wanted. 

lets judge Rhodes on the job he does here. 

[KentExile]

8 hours ago, riverholmes said:

Not sure about his age at the time, but David Raya is the only one I can think of. For all the propaganda about 'becoming men' by going off to the fifth or sixth tier (George Pratt's just gone to Chorley to play "regular" football for "a month" (note the contradiction)), it appears unlikely that many, if any, will return to be Rovers first teamers. Montgomery is favoured by the manager and he was at Chorley, but not sure he'll make the cut long-term.

Players like Darragh Lenihan, Scott Wharton, Hayden Carter and so on, cut their teeth at L2 and then L1 levels. Then, players like Travis, JRC, Nyambe, Buckley, broke into the team/squad without going away on loan, as far as I recall.

 

Good summary, 

RE Pratts 1 month loan, Olson originally joined Altrincham on a 1 month loan last season, played himself into being a regular starter and saw out the season, winning their young player of the year award.

I don't mind the short term (anything outside of the transfer window) loans as a way of finding a good fit, either for a longer term loan or another loan higher up the ladder. 

Short term loans to non league teams offer that flexibility.  As they can be recalled and sent elsewhere at a moments notice if it is not working out or if they are obviously a level below where they should be. 

Either way, they still get some experience in an environment where results matter against grown men, which is a marked change of pace from academy football which focuses mainly on skill/technique

 

Edited 13 hours ago by KentExile

[oneandycrawford]

10 hours ago, Waggy76 said:

I could not agree more, we had not a pot to piss in, but we had a far superior team, to what we have now.... 

Just maybe our  scouting system and manager  had more idea than the  ones  employed since 2010 ? 

Data running rules over footballing ability today...

I just want Venkys Out, end of! 

I long for the days of Garner, Sellars, Hendry, Moran, Gayle etc etc

We had far better footballers in those days.. Than this shower of shit we have today and the alleged legend Gestede would not get in the team..

A poor mans Jimmy Quinn!

I forgot about Simon Barker and Alan Ainscow was three times the player Forshaw is! 

Venkys Out! 

 

 

I guess one of the differences now is not many top level players drop down the divisions towards the end of their careers.

Larger squads, better fitness conditioning and, probably most importantly, the fact they are financially set up for life (if they are half-way sensible) before they reach 30 means they have no need to continue playing at a lower level.

Presumably some do for the love of playing or to get into management as a player-manager.

The days of teams like Rovers picking up a Frank Stapleton or Howard Kendall are largely gone.

[rigger]

1 minute ago, oneandycrawford said:

I guess one of the differences now is not many top level players drop down the divisions towards the end of their careers.

Larger squads, better fitness conditioning and, probably most importantly, the fact they are financially set up for life (if they are half-way sensible) before they reach 30 means they have no need to continue playing at a lower level.

Presumably some do for the love of playing or to get into management as a player-manager.

The days of teams like Rovers picking up a Frank Stapleton or Howard Kendall are largely gone.

Or TV pundits

[Waggy76]

1 hour ago, oneandycrawford said:

I guess one of the differences now is not many top level players drop down the divisions towards the end of their careers.

Larger squads, better fitness conditioning and, probably most importantly, the fact they are financially set up for life (if they are half-way sensible) before they reach 30 means they have no need to continue playing at a lower level.

Presumably some do for the love of playing or to get into management as a player-manager.

The days of teams like Rovers picking up aBut don, Frank Stapleton or Howard Kendall are largely gone.

Very true but don't forget where we were , when the Venkys arrived !

[Mike E]

4 hours ago, KentExile said:

 

It would seem he does have the on paper qualifications, in fact he may even be over-qualified based on qualifications alone.  It's the practical experience (which may be more important than paper qualifications) that he lacks.  I will assume he has a driving licence 😉 

If we are going to be critical of Rovers, there are plenty of things to criticise them for without us resorting to either guessing or making things up

I should have said experience (what I actually meant) rather than qualifications. I based my comment on the qualifications you posted from the club’s advert, then you highlighted the only qualification in that same advert that I think he is missing (experience) and say I’m making things up.

You’re right that there are plenty of things to criticise Rovers for, and one of them is hiring people without experience in relevant roles. I think including Rhodes in that is just as fair as including Gestede and Pasha.

I want to persistently make it clear that I’m not criticising Rhodes himself, as I have nothing against HIM. If he were involved in the coaching/scouting set-up, just as with Samba a few years ago, I’d be thrilled with one of my favourite Rovers being involved.

Being appointed to this role in these circumstances and without experience just doesn’t feel right to me. I equally don’t understand how anyone can come to the conclusion he is an ‘excellent’ appointment based on literally no experience in any post-playing role.

[KentExile]

10 minutes ago, Mike E said:

I should have said experience (what I actually meant) rather than qualifications. I based my comment on the qualifications you posted from the club’s advert, then you highlighted the only qualification in that same advert that I think he is missing (experience) and say I’m making things up.

I responded to what you wrote, not what you meant. 

What else could I respond to?

I also said guessing or making things up, which if you meant what you wrote, were the only 2 options

No offense intended

Edited 10 hours ago by KentExile

[Mike E]

1 minute ago, KentExile said:

I responded to what you wrote, not what you meant. 

What else could I respond to?

I also said guessing or making things up, which if you meant what you wrote, were the only 2 options

No offense intended

Quite right, my error 🙂 no harm done

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, oneandycrawford said:

The days of teams like Rovers picking up a Frank Stapleton or Howard Kendall are largely gone.

There's a big difference between those two, Howard was looking for somewhere to cut his teeth in management and luckily we made the genius move of appointing him.

Stapleton was a great player in his prime, but I thought he was absolute bobbins at Rovers, just going through the motions.

[oneandycrawford]

3 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

There's a big difference between those two, Howard was looking for somewhere to cut his teeth in management and luckily we made the genius move of appointing him.

Stapleton was a great player in his prime, but I thought he was absolute bobbins at Rovers, just going through the motions.

Not as bad as John Radford mind!

[Exiled in Toronto Mk2]

8 hours ago, KentExile said:

Good summary, 

RE Pratts 1 month loan, Olson originally joined Altrincham on a 1 month loan last season, played himself into being a regular starter and saw out the season, winning their young player of the year award.

I don't mind the short term (anything outside of the transfer window) loans as a way of finding a good fit, either for a longer term loan or another loan higher up the ladder. 

Short term loans to non league teams offer that flexibility.  As they can be recalled and sent elsewhere at a moments notice if it is not working out or if they are obviously a level below where they should be. 

Either way, they still get some experience in an environment where results matter against grown men, which is a marked change of pace from academy football which focuses mainly on skill/technique

 

The thing with an academy is, at best we can hope for one player a year coming through into the first team, but that one player still needed 16 teammates around him who aren’t going to make it. The task with them is to get them to their potential and move them on. It’s not the Adam Wharton’s or Hayden Carter’s going to Chorley, it’s the other 16.

Great contributions to this thread btw.

[RevidgeBlue]

3 hours ago, oneandycrawford said:

Not as bad as John Radford mind!

I must be in a minority of one but I didn't think Radford was all that bad. Obviously well past his best by the time he joined us but you could see his quality in flashes.

[RevidgeBlue]

2 hours ago, Exiled in Toronto Mk2 said:

The thing with an academy is, at best we can hope for one player a year coming through into the first team, but that one player still needed 16 teammates around him who aren’t going to make it. The task with them is to get them to their potential and move them on. It’s not the Adam Wharton’s or Hayden Carter’s going to Chorley, it’s the other 16.

Great contributions to this thread btw.

Genuine question because I dont know, but would that be part of Rhodes' remit? 

If we've decided we're not keeping them on, is it our job to fix them up with a new Club?

Sounds callous I know.

They'd have been Ok if good old Uncle Tone was still here. He'd have kept them all on until they were 35.

 

[KentExile]

33 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Genuine question because I dont know, but would that be part of Rhodes' remit? 

If we've decided we're not keeping them on, is it our job to fix them up with a new Club?

Sounds callous I know.

They'd have been Ok if good old Uncle Tone was still here. He'd have kept them all on until they were 35.

 

The quote from Rhodes in this article (also pasted below) seems to indicate that whilst the priority is preparing them for first team football with Rovers, they will also be looking to prepare them for first team football elsewhere if it won't happen here.  

"Ultimately, that's what the staff's there to do; to facilitate those players and give them the best opportunity to be able to thrive for the first team ideally, but ultimately for their development and what makes them be the player that they can become."

[Exiled in Toronto Mk2]

2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Genuine question because I dont know, but would that be part of Rhodes' remit? 

If we've decided we're not keeping them on, is it our job to fix them up with a new Club?

Sounds callous I know.

They'd have been Ok if good old Uncle Tone was still here. He'd have kept them all on until they were 35.

 

I think it crucial as part of a tier 1 academy to be able to demonstrate that we are good for everyone’s career that signs for us, no matter what turns out to be their ultimate potential.