January Transfer Needs

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, KentExile said:

If true, makes little sense, is a wide forward/winger, right footed, plays on the left, cutting inside, is quick from what I have seen though

Maybe they plan to convert him to a striker, or move back to a back 4 and wingers at the end of this season?

 

That account is full of shit, one of many.

Was it the same account that said last week that Toth had a setback?

[roversfan99]

29 minutes ago, Parsonblue said:

I must admit that I don't see all the fuss about Tyjon.  I've seen him numerous times and come away wondering what other clubs see in him.  Clearly, I'm missing something that others obviously see in him.  It will be interesting to see how his career develops.  Rory Finneran is struggling to get a game for the Under-21's at Newcastle whilst Ash Phillips seems surplus to requirements at Tottenham.

Unless you are an Adam Wharton - a really special talent - I suspect it's very difficult to bridge that gap to the Premier League, particularly as those clubs can go out and spend a fortune on the ready made article.  

Phillips maybe be surplus at Spurs but he has had plenty of regular game time on loan spells and has played more than he would have here in the same time period.

Are the 2 attackers that have been on the bench lately, the ones that stand out at under 21 level? Do you think they could have an impact?

[simongarnerisgod]

35 minutes ago, Parsonblue said:

I must admit that I don't see all the fuss about Tyjon.  I've seen him numerous times and come away wondering what other clubs see in him.  Clearly, I'm missing something that others obviously see in him.  It will be interesting to see how his career develops.  Rory Finneran is struggling to get a game for the Under-21's at Newcastle whilst Ash Phillips seems surplus to requirements at Tottenham.

Unless you are an Adam Wharton - a really special talent - I suspect it's very difficult to bridge that gap to the Premier League, particularly as those clubs can go out and spend a fortune on the ready made article.  

i think their agent and/or parents are very ambitious for these moves,more often than not it won`t pay off but the agent will get a nice commision and the parents will get the bragging rights,iv`e only seen tyjon play once and honestly he was ragdolled by the bradford centre backs,i certainly did`nt see anything special

[dingles staying down 4ever]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

To release them we would have to pay them up so it makes little sense.

Totally agree with the stuff on Nixon. And people buy into it.

Sorry Ive not explained myself very well. I totally agree that it makes little sense. I was taking Chaddy's argument to the extreme but if aren't going to include them then they might as well as free them as we will be paying them for nothing.

I personally think it is a sad reflection on our fitness dept that we cannot get him fit to play

[Angry_Pirate]

After seeing O'Riordan play for Rovers, but not a minute of football for any other team, I would still bet good money that he is better than Lewis Miller.

Also, after last night when Pears seemed to have the urgency of a tortoise, I pray to God that Toth is back in from NYD.

Gueye, Tyjon, Garrett, De Neve and one of Pickering/Ribiero to go, Pears too if we get any type of offer.

We need a striker. Ohashi is a pair of legs and half a brain.

Edited 6 hours ago by Angry_Pirate

[roversfan99]

Pears is fine as back up.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

14 minutes ago, Angry_Pirate said:

After seeing O'Riordan play for Rovers, but not a minute of football for any other team, I would still bet good money that he is better than Lewis Miller.

Also, after last night when Pears seemed to have the urgency of a tortoise, I pray to God that Toth is back in from NYD.

Gueye, Tyjon, Garrett, De Neve and one of Pickering/Ribiero to go, Pears too if we get any type of offer.

We need a striker. Ohashi is a pair of legs and half a brain.

Genuinely baffled at your take on miller he isn’t the finished article by any means but he is more than capable at this level 

it’s obviously a game of opinions but I find that a strange one. Our defence has actually been our saviour this season but our major concern is scoring at the other end that’s the key to staying up and avoiding a relegation battle 

[RevidgeBlue]

4 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Genuinely baffled at your take on miller he isn’t the finished article by any means but he is more than capable at this level 

it’s obviously a game of opinions but I find that a strange one. Our defence has actually been our saviour this season but our major concern is scoring at the other end that’s the key to staying up and avoiding a relegation battle 

Miller's bloody awful imo.

On "strange opininions" weren't you the person  who scoffed at the notion Ohashi was a ten goal a season striker at best and that he'd weigh in with 15-20 this season?

[Emerald Isle Rover]

7 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Miller's bloody awful imo.

On "strange opininions" weren't you the person  who scoffed at the notion Ohashi was a ten goal a season striker at best and that he'd weigh in with 15-20 this season?

That awful were keeping multiple clean sheets with the 7th best defensive record in the league somebody that awful can’t be carried for half a season

i did say he could easily improve on his first season yes what’s to say he won’t get 7/8 more goals in the next 22 games to take him to 15? 
Your jumping the gun a bit don’t you think?

[briansol]

6 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Miller's bloody awful imo.

On "strange opininions" weren't you the person  who scoffed at the notion Ohashi was a ten goal a season striker at best and that he'd weigh in with 15-20 this season?

Champion strikers scoring between 15-20 are almost unicorns. Only 4 players reached 15 league goals last season. Of those 4, only Piroe and Sargent can be considered strikers. 

Ohashi is certainly not in that class, but a 10+ season for a grafter is a decent return. If Gudhjonsen continues he'll be closer to 15 for the season. 

Our problem in the scoring department is getting the rest of the team contributing. Sunderland went up last year with only Isidor getting above 10+ goals (he got 12). But had goals from multiple players. 

We need more goals from defence, but especially from midfield like Cantwell and Morishita.

[bluebruce]

18 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Miller's bloody awful imo.

On "strange opininions" weren't you the person  who scoffed at the notion Ohashi was a ten goal a season striker at best and that he'd weigh in with 15-20 this season?

Since Ohashi has 7 goals halfway through the season (plus a cancelled one from the postponed game) it seems pretty reasonable to think he will be scoring more than 10 goals and could reach 15.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

Yep it was an opinion in the summer given his good first season with no break for him at all. It’s quite feasible at this stage he could get close to 15 it’s also equally feasible he might only grab another 2/3 but to try point score on that half way through a season is a tad silly. More than happy to revisit come May 

[bluebruce]

5 minutes ago, briansol said:

Champion strikers scoring between 15-20 are almost unicorns. Only 4 players reached 15 league goals last season. Of those 4, only Piroe and Sargent can be considered strikers. 

Ohashi is certainly not in that class, but a 10+ season for a grafter is a decent return. If Gudhjonsen continues he'll be closer to 15 for the season. 

Our problem in the scoring department is getting the rest of the team contributing. Sunderland went up last year with only Isidor getting above 10+ goals (he got 12). But had goals from multiple players. 

We need more goals from defence, but especially from midfield like Cantwell and Morishita.

And we had Rhodes and Gestede banging in about 20+ each and didn't even make the playoffs.

If Ohashi can get past 12 goals, then especially with his work rate, I'm happy enough with him. It would definitely be a plus to have someone more prolific for when AG is out though.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, Parsonblue said:

I must admit that I don't see all the fuss about Tyjon.  I've seen him numerous times and come away wondering what other clubs see in him.  Clearly, I'm missing something that others obviously see in him.  It will be interesting to see how his career develops.  Rory Finneran is struggling to get a game for the Under-21's at Newcastle whilst Ash Phillips seems surplus to requirements at Tottenham.

Unless you are an Adam Wharton - a really special talent - I suspect it's very difficult to bridge that gap to the Premier League, particularly as those clubs can go out and spend a fortune on the ready made article.  

Me too. He’s neat and tidy on the ball but - he isn’t particularly quick like Damien Duff, he’s not very big or aggressive like a Speedie, doesn’t appear to like to run with the ball from centre midfield like a Dunny, doesn’t look to be a goal scoring late runner into the box like a Lampard. He’s not a destructive first time passer like Wharton. I don’t know what all the fuss is about. Arsenal scouts must see something I can’t.

Johnny Byrom was scoring hat tricks in the old First Division at his age. I could see what the fuss was all about then.

Clubs like Arsenal can afford to hoover up all these “ promising “ kids for peanuts. If one in ten make it they’ll be happy. They’ll just blow the other nine out for various small fees.

Edited 5 hours ago by Tyrone Shoelaces

[RevidgeBlue]

16 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Yep it was an opinion in the summer given his good first season with no break for him at all. It’s quite feasible at this stage he could get close to 15 it’s also equally feasible he might only grab another 2/3 but to try point score on that half way through a season is a tad silly. More than happy to revisit come May 

Fair enough, I didn't realise he'd scored 7 tbh. It feels like he's had a really poor season in front of goal so far.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

15 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Fair enough, I didn't realise he'd scored 7 tbh. It feels like he's had a really poor season in front of goal so far.

We have struggled massively in attack and he has missed a fair few also 

him and gudjohnsen have two thirds of our goal tally now one is out for 5/6 weeks so we need someone to come in ready (not hopeful)

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, Parsonblue said:

I must admit that I don't see all the fuss about Tyjon.  I've seen him numerous times and come away wondering what other clubs see in him.  Clearly, I'm missing something that others obviously see in him.  It will be interesting to see how his career develops. 

interesting that. 

who has been the stand outs for the under 21's this season? should Joseph be in the senior squad as sub striker if Gueye not staying/on bench? 

[M_B]

44 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

That awful were keeping multiple clean sheets with the 7th best defensive record in the league somebody that awful can’t be carried for half a season

i did say he could easily improve on his first season yes what’s to say he won’t get 7/8 more goals in the next 22 games to take him to 15? 
Your jumping the gun a bit don’t you think?

6th best I think . 

I think a lot of it stems from the sale of Baath, and then the last minute sale of Hyam. We haven't missed them as much as a lot predicted,if at all. 

The link to Gibson is a logical one, R99 has been calling for an experienced head. The way we play allows the defence to maybe play every game, whereas the midfield and forwards cover a lot more ground. Regarding Miller, Franco Baresi he ain't, but you can't knock his effort and application, and as you say, he's been part of a defence which is keeping our heads above water. 

[robbojohnno]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Miller's bloody awful imo.

On "strange opininions" weren't you the person  who scoffed at the notion Ohashi was a ten goal a season striker at best and that he'd weigh in with 15-20 this season?

On the ball? Yes he's poor.

Off the ball/defensively? He's been outstanding. A warrior with a great knack of knowing where to be to sniff out danger. Also physically strong and has a yard of pace.

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, KentExile said:

If true, makes little sense, is a wide forward/winger, right footed, plays on the left, cutting inside, is quick from what I have seen though

Maybe they plan to convert him to a striker, or move back to a back 4 and wingers at the end of this season?

Well a Barnsley fan on the Roversxtra account has said Gestede and 2 other people from Rovers were at the Barnsley game last night. 

 

[chaddyrovers]

46 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Yep it was an opinion in the summer given his good first season with no break for him at all. It’s quite feasible at this stage he could get close to 15 it’s also equally feasible he might only grab another 2/3 but to try point score on that half way through a season is a tad silly. More than happy to revisit come May 

I said similar that Ohashi could get 15 goals this season. Wouldn't surprise if both him and Gudjohnsen did. 

[KentExile]

5 minutes ago, M_B said:

6th best I think . 

I think a lot of it stems from the sale of Baath, and then the last minute sale of Hyam. We haven't missed them as much as a lot predicted,if at all. 

The link to Gibson is a logical one, R99 has been calling for an experienced head. The way we play allows the defence to maybe play every game, whereas the midfield and forwards cover a lot more ground. Regarding Miller, Franco Baresi he ain't, but you can't knock his effort and application, and as you say, he's been part of a defence which is keeping our heads above water. 

The change of system helped with that

we essentially replaced 2 centre backs with 3 in order to keep our defence relatively solid.  We shipped a lot of goals early season until that system change

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/blackburn-rovers/spielplandatum/verein/164

Unfortunately we have sacrificed the ability to create chances (which was already limited) as a result of that

Edited 4 hours ago by KentExile

[RevidgeBlue]

3 minutes ago, robbojohnno said:

On the ball? Yes he's poor.

Off the ball/defensively? He's been outstanding. A warrior with a great knack of knowing where to be to sniff out danger. Also physically strong and has a yard of pace.

I think he's a really poor defender.

Im not bothered about whether he's Franz Beckenbauer on the ball.

We can get away with him being poor to an extent because we set up so defensively as a whole.

[chaddyrovers]

3 hours ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

We always have players targeted according to Nicko. That is how he makes his money. He wouldn't get paid if he said we aren't interested in anyone. Usually out of price range for our budget.

Well he has good enough record on our signings compare to others. 

3 hours ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

Miller is too slow to play wingback or full back.

Not for me, plays that role for Australia 

3 hours ago, dingles staying down 4ever said:

Do we release Carter as he cannot be relied on? What about Wharton do we release him too?

I would let Carter leave either on a free transfer with sell on clause or agree on terminate cos he is too injury prone. 

No chance on Wharton, our best centre back when everyone is fit  

[roversfan99]

5 minutes ago, M_B said:

6th best I think . 

I think a lot of it stems from the sale of Baath, and then the last minute sale of Hyam. We haven't missed them as much as a lot predicted,if at all. 

The link to Gibson is a logical one, R99 has been calling for an experienced head. The way we play allows the defence to maybe play every game, whereas the midfield and forwards cover a lot more ground. Regarding Miller, Franco Baresi he ain't, but you can't knock his effort and application, and as you say, he's been part of a defence which is keeping our heads above water. 

I did, not necessarily a veteran, but someone who has at least has a proven track record. Someone like that Dom Hyam at Wrexham perhaps...

But it's not a case of merely being experienced. Gibson has struggled at Stoke since he joined, he is slow and he is left footed, I said from the start that I wanted a right footer. IMO, Gibson is not the answer.

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Well a Barnsley fan on the Roversxtra account has said Gestede and 2 other people from Rovers were at the Barnsley game last night. 

 

I would ignore that account, or at least don't blindly believe it 100%.

Surely Gestede would have been at Hillsborough.