Rovers's January transfer needs

[Mashed Potatoes]

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

They are, but thats causation rather than correlation. We changed system at that time.

But would Cantwell work in the new system?

[RevidgeBlue]

As usual we probably wont get anything we REALLY need in January but I hope we don't go too overboard at CB.

Pratt showed he was a viable option the other night and is there any other reason why one of the other young CB's couldnt come in and do similar? At the very most Id bring in one CB and recall O Riordan.

Midfield is going to need major surgery sooner rather than later. Tronstad and Cantwell look as though they'll be heading for the exit door, we don't know yet if Baradji will be a viable option, Henriksson's poor and Tavares looks a complete dud.

I think we also need major strengthening up front. I've never rated Kargbo and in an ideal world he'd be replaced.  Im  also probably one of the few left who thinks Gueye would be a useful asset under a different Head Coach,but, if VI isnt going to use him we might as well sell him and either way we need an additional striker as well.

There's a LOT to do this January, not just at CB.

I ain't holding my breath.

[RevidgeBlue]

25 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Kindly do not invent posts made by myself or anybody else for that matter

Lol.

So to clarify your original response to RF 99 then you think Cantwell SHOULD be let go?

[Parsonblue]

50 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Results without Cantwell are actually better than when he plays.12 points from 8 games without him; 7 points from 7 games with him.

Cantwell is something of an enigma.  Away from home, we look far more solid without him.  It's the home games where he really out to shine and have an influence on results.  Yet home results are poor, whilst the last three away games have seen good performances and good results without him.

Cantwell is a mercurial talent but fitting him into a system that works for the rest of the team is not always easy.  Kendall managed to do it with McKenzie, so hopefully Ismael will be able to find a solution.

I must admit, that I'm not really bothered one way or the other regarding his future in the January window.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, Bohinen1983 said:

Would love to see Rothwell back on loan or a similar type of player as well as a replacement for Tavares, Foreshaw- let them both go.

What about Dennis on a free until the end of the season to cover for Kargbos absence?  

Centre half- a  big lad from the lower leagues- Dan Burn was playing down there wasn't he at some point?

Let one of Pickering/Ribiero go along with Tavares, Foreshaw  and perhaps even Cantwell .. Pointless paying the wages if he isn't playing.. Let Norwich spend silly money in Jan..

 

We’ve had some bad loans recently but given the wages we were supposed to be paying Dennis he must have been the worst loan ever. All I can remember about him is him getting sent off.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

41 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

But would Cantwell work in the new system?

I think so, playing just behind the front two is made for him.

[RevidgeBlue]

Im not Cantwell's biggest fan but I do think if fit he should be in the line up.

Extrapolating a fairly limited snapshot of results and claiming results are better without him in the side is imo a bit like blaming Jordan Rhodes for the fact we didnt go up when you've got players like Jason Lowe playing behind him.

[RevidgeBlue]

6 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

We’ve had some bad loans recently but given the wages we were supposed to be paying Dennis he must have been the worst loan ever. All I can remember about him is him getting sent off.

And the sideways header at Bramall Lane.

[roversfan99]

46 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

As usual we probably wont get anything we REALLY need in January but I hope we don't go too overboard at CB.

Pratt showed he was a viable option the other night and is there any other reason why one of the other young CB's couldnt come in and do similar? At the very most Id bring in one CB and recall O Riordan.

Midfield is going to need major surgery sooner rather than later. Tronstad and Cantwell look as though they'll be heading for the exit door, we don't know yet if Baradji will be a viable option, Henriksson's poor and Tavares looks a complete dud.

I think we also need major strengthening up front. I've never rated Kargbo and in an ideal world he'd be replaced.  Im  also probably one of the few left who thinks Gueye would be a useful asset under a different Head Coach,but, if VI isnt going to use him we might as well sell him and either way we need an additional striker as well.

There's a LOT to do this January, not just at CB.

I ain't holding my breath.

Pratt did very well but it is premature to just consider him a first teamer going forward as a result. One new centre back and O'Riordan would be the minimum we need. We are so short there especially playing a 3.

[roversfan99]

29 minutes ago, Parsonblue said:

Cantwell is something of an enigma.  Away from home, we look far more solid without him.  It's the home games where he really out to shine and have an influence on results.  Yet home results are poor, whilst the last three away games have seen good performances and good results without him.

Cantwell is a mercurial talent but fitting him into a system that works for the rest of the team is not always easy.  Kendall managed to do it with McKenzie, so hopefully Ismael will be able to find a solution.

I must admit, that I'm not really bothered one way or the other regarding his future in the January window.

Do we look far more solid away from home specifically without him? He played in 3 away games and we kept clean sheets in 2 of those.

[chaddyrovers]

35 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Pratt did very well but it is premature to just consider him a first teamer going forward as a result. One new centre back and O'Riordan would be the minimum we need. We are so short there especially playing a 3.

so what is Pratt? would you play him on Wednesday and what did you think of his performance on Friday? 

[RevidgeBlue]

45 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Pratt did very well but it is premature to just consider him a first teamer going forward as a result. One new centre back and O'Riordan would be the minimum we need. We are so short there especially playing a 3.

Id be happy with one plus O Riordan.

The general point I was making was that I dont suppose our January budget will be very big so I wouldnt want it all blown on CB's.

As regards Pratt, he came in and seized his chance with both hands. Surely you have to give him the opportunity to kick on and be considered a first teamer? Until he proves otherwise it would be harsh in the extreme to dump him and forget about him as soon as someone else comes in.

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

so what is Pratt? would you play him on Wednesday and what did you think of his performance on Friday? 

Yes he should play on Wednesday (we have no alternative but to play him although he deserves to stay in the team anyway) and my opinion that I have shared a few times about how we did on Friday is summed up in those first 4 words, "Pratt did very well."

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Id be happy with one plus O Riordan.

The general point I was making was that I dont suppose our January budget will be very big so I wouldnt want it all blown on CB's.

As regards Pratt, he came in and seized his chance with both hands. Surely you have to give him the opportunity to kick on and be considered a first teamer? Until he proves otherwise it would be harsh in the extreme to dump him and forget about him as soon as someone else comes in.

He should certainly start the next game, and he will be given the opportunity to be considered a first teamer because regardless of how he does in the next month, he is one of 3 centre backs that we have so he will need to play every minute of every game this month.

The opportunity is there for him. Best case scenario, we come through December and he proves that he can handle consistent Championship games. Certainly no suggestion here that he should be dumped or forgotten about. But we will need new centre backs either way. 

[chaddyrovers]

27 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Yes he should play on Wednesday (we have no alternative but to play him although he deserves to stay in the team anyway) and my opinion that I have shared a few times about how we did on Friday is summed up in those first 4 words, "Pratt did very well."

He should certainly start the next game, and he will be given the opportunity to be considered a first teamer because regardless of how he does in the next month, he is one of 3 centre backs that we have so he will need to play every minute of every game this month.

The opportunity is there for him. Best case scenario, we come through December and he proves that he can handle consistent Championship games. Certainly no suggestion here that he should be dumped or forgotten about. But we will need new centre backs either way. 

He damned right should start the game. He was very good on debut. He deserves his chance to stake his claim for the future. He's 22 years old

[wilsdenrover]

This is a genuine question as my memory is shit…

Did overseas players used to need time to adjust?

[J*B]

6 hours ago, Bohinen1983 said:

What about Dennis on a free until the end of the season to cover for Kargbos absence?  

What did you see last season in Dennis that makes you think he’s anything but a complete waste of space, out of interest?

[J*B]

49 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

This is a genuine question as my memory is shit…

Did overseas players used to need time to adjust?

They’ve always needed time to settle in. But time to adjust? They tend not to when you sign the good ones. 

[chaddyrovers]

50 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

This is a genuine question as my memory is shit…

Did overseas players used to need time to adjust?

how far we going back? 

[J*B]

2 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Id be happy with one plus O Riordan.

The general point I was making was that I dont suppose our January budget will be very big so I wouldnt want it all blown on CB's.

You’d expect them to go back for that “Steve Kapuadi” in Poland, given they tried to get him all summer and I assume (?) Toth is now no longer an ESC slot.

At any normal club there would be a significant January budget given we’ve not spent anything like we have generated from sales for years now. Alas, I’m sure we have no money. 

[roversfan99]

Would Toth's ESC conversion be in jeopardy considering the games he will miss?

McLaughlin was signed as an alternative to Kapuadi. Kapuadi was left footed, we need a right footer.

[chaddyrovers]

we need a right footer centre back signing in the January transfer window. Maybe Malmo's centre back Colin Rosler could be option and we were linked with him during the summer 

[wilsdenrover]

8 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Would Toth's ESC conversion be in jeopardy considering the games he will miss?

McLaughlin was signed as an alternative to Kapuadi. Kapuadi was left footed, we need a right footer.

No, games when a player is unavailable don’t count towards the calculations. 

Edited 9 minutes ago by wilsdenrover

[RevidgeBlue]

This subject has probably been discussed in detail in the past but does it matter that much whether a CB is right or left footed?

[Leonard Venkhater]

4 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

We’ve had some bad loans recently but given the wages we were supposed to be paying Dennis he must have been the worst loan ever. All I can remember about him is him getting sent off.

Exactly what we didn't need to support our play-off push. 

Stunk of agent involvement-again!

[RevidgeBlue]

Just now, Leonard Venkhater said:

Exactly what we didn't need to support our play-off push. 

Stunk of agent involvement-again!

Nixon hailing it as an astute Waggott masterstroke at 20 k p.w.!

Lol.