davulsukur Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 9 minutes ago, B16Rover said: Logically, knowing this Gueye deal is in the works for a few weeks and we've registration concerns we've already identified and processed a replacement striker who were just waiting on announcing today? Nar, they wouldn't really need to do this, can't they amend the 25 man squad as many times as needed through January? Just take Gueye off the list and add the new guy Quote
Tomphil2 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 13 minutes ago, bluebruce said: Better without doubt that Chris Brown or Luke Varney, neither of whom scored a single goal for us in 41 and 26 appearances respectively. I've no idea why you would say otherwise except for recency bias. Well i actually watched them and despite both being less goal threat they were all round more capable team players than this lad. If he was so much more of a player than those two i doubt the appearances and any other stats aside from a few goals back it up. Fortunately for the other two their managers judged them on different metrics because we already had goals in the team. Quote
cesus Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 6 minutes ago, davulsukur said: Nar, they wouldn't really need to do this, can't they amend the 25 man squad as many times as needed through January? Just take Gueye off the list and add the new guy My understanding is you can switch up the 25 man squad as much as you want during January. You still need to comply with the home grown rules etc. Quote
Browjd Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago (edited) Interested buyers in Rovers rumour from other chat... Edited 2 hours ago by Browjd Quote
Tomphil2 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 16 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: Blimey. You can argue he wasn't good enough and Id tend to agree, but he was definitely much better than those two. As we all know, Brown never even scored a goal. Nah both contributed more in terms of play than he was ever capable of i'm afraid. Of course strikers are judged on goals but their jobs were foil for Rhodes and the others, Gueye couldn't even foil the linesman's flag. I'd put either of those in this team before him without doubt because he couldn't even manage the 'defensive striker' role under Ismael. Quote
TheRevAshton Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Browjd said: Interested buyers in Rovers rumour from other forum... Huh? Quote
Backroom Tom Posted 2 hours ago Backroom Posted 2 hours ago He was nowhere near as bad as Brown or Varney for us, he wouldn’t be in the top 10 worst strikers we’ve had overall given his albeit modest return last season. 3 Quote
davulsukur Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Browjd said: Interested buyers in Rovers rumour from other forum... Mercer posted it on here in another topic. Where have you seen this rumour? Quote
Backroom Tom Posted 2 hours ago Backroom Posted 2 hours ago 1 minute ago, davulsukur said: Mercer posted it on here in another topic. Where have you seen this rumour? That’s where he is referring to. We need another, independent source, let’s check with Howard over on twitter 2 Quote
RevidgeBlue Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 1 minute ago, Tom said: He was nowhere near as bad as Brown or Varney for us, he wouldn’t be in the top 10 worst strikers we’ve had overall given his albeit modest return last season. I'd say he was marginally better than Gallagher. (Which isn't a compliment but still) Quote
Theaxe15 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 4 minutes ago, davulsukur said: Mercer posted it on here in another topic. Where have you seen this rumour? Lost my faith after the first word 1 Quote
RTM08 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Tom said: He was nowhere near as bad as Brown or Varney for us, he wouldn’t be in the top 10 worst strikers we’ve had overall given his albeit modest return last season. Can't say I agree with that. Literal bull in a china shop that seemingly had no control over his own body at any time I saw him play. Scored a couple sure, but up there with the absolute worst players I've seen in a Rovers shirt in his general play. Now, if Eustace had continued with him that may have changed, but we'll never know. . Quote
Tomphil2 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Tom said: He was nowhere near as bad as Brown or Varney for us, he wouldn’t be in the top 10 worst strikers we’ve had overall given his albeit modest return last season. Bollocks total classic BRFCS revisionism again. You wouldn't want any of them but if they were here now they'd absolutely have been in the team before him do to other things they contributed. He plundered a few goals last season but has done jack all else in his time here and couldn't even figure out what offside was. He's so much better than them he's been bombed out to a tinpot outpost league. Honestly some people on here can't see further than their own hooters at times, not a personal dig by the way. Quote
Tomphil2 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 3 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said: I'd say he was marginally better than Gallagher. (Which isn't a compliment but still) Give over. Quote
Tim Southampton Rover Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 39 minutes ago, Roverthechimp said: How much have we got for him? Gueye fee was undisclosed, however, rumours are that it was £1.8m. If accurate, that would represent a slight profit on him, which is more than what we all expected we'd get for him. Bank it, learn from it, spend it (hopefully!). 1 Quote
bluebruce Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said: Well i actually watched them and despite both being less goal threat they were all round more capable team players than this lad. If he was so much more of a player than those two i doubt the appearances and any other stats aside from a few goals back it up. Fortunately for the other two their managers judged them on different metrics because we already had goals in the team. We all actually watched them. We all actually watched them score zero goals over a shockingly long period. We also watched Gueye score 8 in a similar number of games. Comparing them is a non starter. I don't care about their all round games, which weren't all that they're built up to be, when you are a pair of strikers who didn't score across nearly 70 games, you're worse than one who scored 8 in a similar period. And this ignores that Gueye did cause problems for teams at times when he didn't score, especially coming off the bench. Also you say you doubt the appearances would back it up, which I think is you saying their managers backed them more. Gueye only played 3 less games for us than the two of them put together. Despite only being here for less time than Chris Brown was. 1 Quote
Tim Southampton Rover Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago You know Rovers fans have officially gone mental when people are arguing over Gueye, Brown and Varney. Have a beer and chill! 🤣 3 Quote
Moderation Lead K-Hod Posted 2 hours ago Moderation Lead Posted 2 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said: Bollocks total classic BRFCS revisionism again. You wouldn't want any of them but if they were here now they'd absolutely have been in the team before him do to other things they contributed. He plundered a few goals last season but has done jack all else in his time here and couldn't even figure out what offside was. He's so much better than them he's been bombed out to a tinpot outpost league. Honestly some people on here can't see further than their own hooters at times, not a personal dig by the way. Varney not significant enough to remember, but he was a wide man tbf. How was Brown better than him though? He never scored..... 2 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 3 minutes ago, bluebruce said: We all actually watched them. We all actually watched them score zero goals over a shockingly long period. We also watched Gueye score 8 in a similar number of games. Comparing them is a non starter. I don't care about their all round games, which weren't all that they're built up to be, when you are a pair of strikers who didn't score across nearly 70 games, you're worse than one who scored 8 in a similar period. And this ignores that Gueye did cause problems for teams at times when he didn't score, especially coming off the bench. Also you say you doubt the appearances would back it up, which I think is you saying their managers backed them more. Gueye only played 3 less games for us than the two of them put together. Despite only being here for less time than Chris Brown was. But we had better squads.... Chris Brown 278 championship games, 13 Premier League Luke Varney 339 championship games, 8 top flight. As i said i wouldn't want any of them but it's cast iron that they'd get picked now before this seasons version of Gueye, goals last season or no goals. He'll score a few in China and disappear into the football wilderness abroad, i'll happily be corrected if not i wish him well. I will argue on this no more iv'e made my point. Quote
Tugayslongwalkoff Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago Can anyone confirm that after bringing in circa £40m in transfer fees for Adam, Sammie etc that we are now in a different FFP cycle and all that money now means fuck all in terms of being able to make some significant investment for once? Quote
Tomphil2 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 3 minutes ago, K-Hod said: Varney not significant enough to remember, but he was a wide man tbf. How was Brown better than him though? He never scored..... The key to these arguments is read the actual debates not just throw out the same old 'but he scored more than him'. If we are judging on goals then why hasn't Gueye been a regular starter or sub recently, seeing as he was such a goal threat last season. Why did the other two have long careers in the second tier and a multitude of clubs employing them despite not the best scoring records ? Quite simple really they were better more effective team players. Quote
Moderation Lead K-Hod Posted 1 hour ago Moderation Lead Posted 1 hour ago Just now, Tomphil2 said: Quite simple really they were better more effective team players. They might have been, but they weren't when they were here. So much for 'I'll argue on this no more, I've made my point'. 😃. 1 Quote
Tomphil2 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago Just now, K-Hod said: They might have been, but they weren't when they were here. So much for 'I'll argue on this no more, I've made my point'. 😃. Some people like to drag them out for days, i know you won't - you own the ban button 🙂 Quote
wilsdenrover Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said: Especially when we can register and unregister players into that 25 man squad on a game by game basis during this month. We don’t even have to do that. During the winter window players can play whether they’re on the squad list or not: Edited 1 hour ago by wilsdenrover 1 Quote
Backroom Tom Posted 1 hour ago Backroom Posted 1 hour ago Chris Brown was a similar kind of player, playing in a team that played more to his strengths with Conway being an assist machine and he scored 0 goals and his only notable contribution was a red card against Newport County! Gueye is admittedly a donkey but got half a dozen goals and a number of assists last season, goals that won games at that. It’s not revisionist to suggest he’s been better for us than Brown (never mind the likes of Edinho Junior, Fode Koita and many others) 3 Quote
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