v Ipswich Town (h) - 02/12/25

[StHelensRover]

On the 'last man, red card' incident, I saw it from the back corner of the Blackburn End. It wasn't the best view in the ground, but no one around me seemed particularly angry and upset when a yellow card was brandished rather than a red one. From where I was stood, it wasn't clear he was definitely the last man or that it was a clear goalscoring opportunity, there wasn't the chants of "off off off" etc. Having seen it again, I can see why it wasn't given.

Edited 1 hour ago by StHelensRover

[AllRoversGirl_]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

He can't do anything right on a football pitch. Thats the issue.

He isn't being scapegoated. People are just sick of seeing an incompetent and lazy player come on and offer nothing. He is terrible.

Exactly! Love that he's a fan favourite and no one can say that he doesn't try to get the support going, but his footballing abilityis questionable. 

[roversfan99]

Its not even questionable. Just absent.

[danger19_80]

3 minutes ago, StHelensRover said:

On the 'last man, red card' incident, I saw it from the back corner of the Blackburn End. It wasn't the best view in the ground, but no one around me seemed particularly angry and upset when a yellow card was brandished rather than a red one. From where I was stood, it wasn't clear he was definitely the last man or that it was a clear goalscoring opportunity, there wasn't the chants of "off off off" etc. Having seen it again, I can see why it wasn't given.

We were fuming in the JW Upper

[arbitro]

3 minutes ago, StHelensRover said:

On the 'last man, red card' incident, I saw it from the back corner of the Blackburn End. It wasn't the best view in the ground, but no one around me seemed particularly angry and upset when a yellow card was brandished rather than a red one. From where I was stood, it wasn't clear he was definitely the last man or that it was a clear goalscoring opportunity, there wasn't the chants of "off off off" etc. Having seen it again, I can see why it wasn't given.

I actually thought there was more anger about this incident than I have seen at Ewood for a long time. I sit in the JW Upper towards the Darwen End and there was genuine anger towards the referee.

The boos at half-time told it's own story to me.

In a strange way though I thought it really lifted the atmosphere and the crowd, after being understandably quiet for several home games really got behind the team in an almost siege mentality.

[J*B]

18 minutes ago, arbitro said:

He is going to get to the ball first and the likelihood of him controlling the ball was high.

• Likelihood of keeping or gaining control: Whether the attacker would have been able to control the ball.

I mean you’re the expert. But from where I’m sitting, the ball wasn’t even on the ground, Morishita hadn’t touched it yet, he was maximum a couple of feet ahead of the defender and was about 30 yards from goal. If the ball was at his feet and he was sprinting towards goal ahead of the defenders then I’d totally agree, but given he still had to take the ball down, control it and move 15-20 yards with it before shooting, I think a yellow is fair. 

[Penwortham Blue]

16 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

You've cited a load of criteria there and none of them really support your case for it being a red, it was a long way out, Moreshita was out to the side and not clean through centrally on goal, neither did he have the ball properly under control, and Davis was in the vicinity, might or might not have got back.

I thought it was probably just about a red but it wasn't as clear cut as many are making out. You've done the ref's job for him there illustrating reasons why it was legitimate NOT to give a red.

Bloody hell, Tronstad is hopeless and Miller even worse. Now you’re arguing with a fair minded Board member who has refereed at the highest level. What’s the view like from up there 🤷‍♂️

[StHelensRover]

4 minutes ago, arbitro said:

I actually thought there was more anger about this incident than I have seen at Ewood for a long time. I sit in the JW Upper towards the Darwen End and there was genuine anger towards the referee.

9 minutes ago, danger19_80 said:

We were fuming in the JW Upper

Fair enough, just goes to show how where we are in the ground means we sometimes see things very differently. For example, from where I was last night, I couldn't see that the foul on Ohashi was in the box, so wasn't that upset during the game as I wasn't aware until Valerian ranted about it at FT.

[Penwortham Blue]

10 minutes ago, danger19_80 said:

We were fuming in the JW Upper

In the JWL, bang in line with it. No doubt in anyone’s mind with that view point that it was a clear red card.

[NeilInBristol]

14 hours ago, Elrovers said:

Bro has a list fucking hell. 

What the f is he doing 

maybe he should spend some time making notes on HOW TO MANAGE A GAME 

just watch Chelsea vs Arsenal and see how Chelsea slowed down the game and sucked Arsenal into fouls, come on Ismael

[Penwortham Blue]

2 minutes ago, Penwortham Blue said:

In the JWL, bang in line with it. No doubt in anyone’s mind with that view point that it was a clear red card.

For balance, like Arbitro, I didn’t think the Yuki incident was a penalty. From my seat, I thought it was a foul but outside the box. 

[arbitro]

12 minutes ago, J*B said:

I mean you’re the expert. But from where I’m sitting, the ball wasn’t even on the ground, Morishita hadn’t touched it yet, he was maximum a couple of feet ahead of the defender and was about 30 yards from goal. If the ball was at his feet and he was sprinting towards goal ahead of the defenders then I’d totally agree, but given he still had to take the ball down, control it and move 15-20 yards with it before shooting, I think a yellow is fair. 

The likelihood of him controlling the ball was high, having not touched the ball is a red herring. A couple of yards ahead is enough for me for him to run clear. He was running quickly and the Ipswich player would have struggled to legally get a challenge in. 30 yards out is close enough given the circumstances ie in front of the Ipswich player.

It wasn't too dissimilar to the incident when Greaves was sent off in the abandoned game and I can't recall too much debate about that.

Edit:

Given my background I really like to back referees where possible but in my view that was unsupportable. I'm hearing today that the senior figures in the PGMO think so too.

Edited 1 hour ago by arbitro

[RevidgeBlue]

17 minutes ago, arbitro said:

You cite several reasons for it not to be a sending off and then say 'just about a red'.

For it to be 'just about a red' the criteria you mention has to be fulfilled.

I'm confused by your rationale.

Unless the attacking player is bearing down on goal in the middle of the pitch and gets hacked down just outside the penalty area without a defender in sight the "criteria" aren't black and white and are open to a degree of subjectivity.

In a situation like last night Id expect a red maybe about 60% of the time but I can certainly see why one wasn't given. If the boot was on the other foot I'd be hoping the ref thought it was too far out and thinking we were slightly unlucky to receive a red.

 

[arbitro]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Unless the attacking player is bearing down on goal in the middle of the pitch and gets hacked down just outside the penalty area without a defender in sight the "criteria" aren't black and white and are open to a degree of subjectivity.

In a situation like last night Id expect a red maybe about 60% of the time but I can certainly see why one wasn't given. If the boot was on the other foot I'd be hoping the ref thought it was too far out and thinking we were slightly unlucky to receive a red.

 

If the boot was on the other foot I would accept the red card without question.

Pretty much every decision can be subjective but in the balance of probability the incident ticked every box in my opinion.

[J*B]

13 minutes ago, arbitro said:

The likelihood of him controlling the ball was high, having not touched the ball is a red herring. A couple of yards ahead is enough for me for him to run clear. He was running quickly and the Ipswich player would have struggled to legally get a challenge in. 30 yards out is close enough given the circumstances ie in front of the Ipswich player.

It wasn't too dissimilar to the incident when Greaves was sent off in the abandoned game and I can't recall too much debate about that.

Edit:

Given my background I really like to back referees where possible but in my view that was unsupportable. I'm hearing today that the senior figures in the PGMO think so too.

I doth my cap to your superior knowledge. 

[Lancaster Rover]

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

He said he thought Davies would have got to the ball.

Yes, I understood that as being due to the distance from goal Davies has chance to cover, also the trajectory of Davies straight line run probably influenced his decision. As I've said, I think it's a howler though I can see how the ref has made his decision regardless of my own personal feelings on whether it was or wasn't. 

Edited 47 minutes ago by Lancaster Rover

[arbitro]

Same referee. Spot the difference.

 

[NeilInBristol]

4 hours ago, Penwortham Blue said:

Sadly, that tells a story. I wonder how many last minute winners we have conceded during the intervening period, a lot is my recollection🙈

6 just this season so far 

[Elrovers]

2 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Same referee. Spot the difference.

 

There’s pretty much no difference. It’s the same. I don’t understand how it’s not a red. You can tell he panicked when he gave the yellow yesterday. What a gimp.

[RoversTilliDie]

4 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

The fact remains that 3 points were there to be won. 

Why we didn't is due to a poor manager, making poor decisions, with poor players.

Everything else is excuse making.

I agree, and our strikers failing to kill games off, 2-0 3-0 etc.

[NeilInBristol]

4 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

The fact remains that 3 points were there to be won. 

Why we didn't is due to a poor manager, making poor decisions, with poor players.

Everything else is excuse making.

Spot on

underrated post

[RoversTilliDie]

4 minutes ago, NeilInBristol said:

6 just this season so far 

We've conceded 6 in added on time, due to bad tactics from the manager.

[KidderStreetNoise]

18 minutes ago, Elrovers said:

There’s pretty much no difference. It’s the same. I don’t understand how it’s not a red. You can tell he panicked when he gave the yellow yesterday. What a gimp.

Pretty much no difference apart from the distance to goal & that the ball is going to come down in the player's stride

[simongarnerisgod]

14 minutes ago, Elrovers said:

There’s pretty much no difference. It’s the same. I don’t understand how it’s not a red. You can tell he panicked when he gave the yellow yesterday. What a gimp.

imo the ref was caught daydreaming and did`nt see the incident,hence he panicked and guessed,he also missed a blatant bodycheck  on yuki,which should have been a penalty,if the refereeing adjudicator has even bothered to evaluate him,then he should be given a warning for a terrible performance,which is basically the problem with officiating in this country,you can get away with being useless because there is no deterent

[KidderStreetNoise]

2 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

imo the ref was caught daydreaming and did`nt see the incident,hence he panicked and guessed,he also missed a blatant bodycheck  on yuki,which should have been a penalty,if the refereeing adjudicator has even bothered to evaluate him,then he should be given a warning for a terrible performance,which is basically the problem with officiating in this country,you can get away with being useless because there is no deterent

Is there a deterrent for being useless at Blackburn Rovers?