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Two things today I vowed I would not watch because they were boring, boring, boring.

The FA Cup final (Chelski v Man Utd boring) and the royal wedding.

Somehow I finished up watching both and thoroughly enjoyed both. 

What's got into me?

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5 minutes ago, bazza said:

Two things today I vowed I would not watch because they were boring, boring, boring.

The FA Cup final (Chelski v Man Utd boring) and the royal wedding.

Somehow I finished up watching both and thoroughly enjoyed both. 

What's got into me?

Ten pints of stella 🤔

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6 hours ago, bazza said:

Two things today I vowed I would not watch because they were boring, boring, boring.

The FA Cup final (Chelski v Man Utd boring) and the royal wedding.

Somehow I finished up watching both and thoroughly enjoyed both. 

What's got into me?

Ha. I must admit I thought the same going in and the same outcome of enjoying them both. 

Re the wedding I was loving the royals reactions to that leader of the American episcopalian church. He was very very American so a tad much but entertaining. The BBC seem to be studiously avoiding showing the duke of Edinburgh. Bet he’d have a reaction to him. “Let’s get y’all married.” Princess Beatrice looks amused, Zara Philips and everyone else they showed looked bemused.

Even the fa cup was far better than the overhyped (well not if watch sky who pretend fa cup doesn’t exist) drudgery usually served up year on year. Not sure on the rules on the VAR whether it’s solely the referees discretion to review or like in cricket where teams can review but if each team had a review that pen shout might have added to the drama. 

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I fell asleep at 8 pm local time and woke about 4 am so missed the lot. No booze involved it's just been very very hot and humid here.

I have seen FA Cup highlights already on youtube. Jones at his clumsy best, I'm looking at odds that he concedes the first WC penalty for England. Could not care less who won it as I dislike them equally but nice to see Jose potless.

As a Royalist I'm really sorry to miss the Wedding and will spend time today looking online for highlights.

Thank feck the cricket tests start soon.....

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2 hours ago, matt83 said:

Ha. I must admit I thought the same going in and the same outcome of enjoying them both. 

Re the wedding I was loving the royals reactions to that leader of the American episcopalian church. He was very very American so a tad much but entertaining. The BBC seem to be studiously avoiding showing the duke of Edinburgh. Bet he’d have a reaction to him. “Let’s get y’all married.” Princess Beatrice looks amused, Zara Philips and everyone else they showed looked bemused.

Even the fa cup was far better than the overhyped (well not if watch sky who pretend fa cup doesn’t exist) drudgery usually served up year on year. Not sure on the rules on the VAR whether it’s solely the referees discretion to review or like in cricket where teams can review but if each team had a review that pen shout might have added to the drama. 

I watched a discussion as part of the build up and there seemed to be a real concern about VAR and this not becoming ‘the VAR final’. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the referee had been ‘encouraged’ not to use it.

After this season, I think it will die a death. Not because it can’t add to the game but because the people in charge of football are too thick to implement it properly. Having a referee go running over to a screen was a nonsense. That doesn’t happen in any other sport that uses it as far as I’m aware. We have fourth officials FFS what are they there for if not this, holding up a board?

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Just now, Stuart said:

I watched a discussion as part of the build up and there seemed to be a real concern about VAR and this not becoming ‘the VAR final’. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the referee had been ‘encouraged’ not to use it.

After this season, I think it will die a death. Not because it can’t add to the game but because the people in charge of football are too thick to implement it properly. Having a referee go running over to a screen was a nonsense. That doesn’t happen in any other sport that uses it as far as I’m aware. We have fourth officials FFS what are they there for if not this, holding up a board?

Yeah it needs refining that’s for sure. In rugby you can hear the discussions between the referee and other official that would help.

In general I think people involved in football are terrified of change. Particularly the big clubs who won’t like a fairer playing field. But I think its necessary to give the officials help. I remember the hoopla around changing the back pass rule to avoid that farcical scenario of defender to keeper, keeper to defender, defender to keeper time wasting. I think it was Alan green who said it was a disgrace changing the rule and I forget why but goalkeepers would be horribly injured.

That all worked out to the improvement of the game as I’m sure VAR will. In spite the authorities best incompetent efforts to make it fail 

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Also I think VAR faces difficulties from the terraces. We live in an instant gratification society and heaven forbid people wait a minute for an informed video replay decision.

Curiously people seem more than happy to watch some softy roll around the floor for minute whilst simultaneously holding his face and knee but getting to the bottom of a major decision will be greeted with boos I’m sure. 

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I don't want instant gratification but I also think that VAR is wank. Goal line technology is amazing but that's black and white. Too much grey in everything else.

Hopefully it will die a death and guess what? The game will go on fine just as it has for 140 years.

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Re Jones in the final, I’m not sure what else he was supposed to do with the challenge for the penalty. Hazard is faster than him and he had to attempt a challenge or Hazard ultimately would have bagged....

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3 hours ago, Rover_Shaun said:

I don't want instant gratification but I also think that VAR is wank. Goal line technology is amazing but that's black and white. Too much grey in everything else.

Hopefully it will die a death and guess what? The game will go on fine just as it has for 140 years.

Yep, and the big clubs will continue to get ‘the rub of the green’.

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1 hour ago, K-Hod said:

Re Jones in the final, I’m not sure what else he was supposed to do with the challenge for the penalty. Hazard is faster than him and he had to attempt a challenge or Hazard ultimately would have bagged....

True, but the horrendous defending was in allowing him to get there in the build up.

Alan Shearer was quite right in that Phil Jones' defending often seems last ditch, showing he maybe doesnt read the game as well as he should.

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23 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

True, but the horrendous defending was in allowing him to get there in the build up.

Alan Shearer was quite right in that Phil Jones' defending often seems last ditch, showing he maybe doesnt read the game as well as he should.

Exactly right and how he got badly injured early on with us. The sort of defending that will be exploited and punished at the WC. He's an accident waiting to happen.

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2 hours ago, K-Hod said:

Re Jones in the final, I’m not sure what else he was supposed to do with the challenge for the penalty. Hazard is faster than him and he had to attempt a challenge or Hazard ultimately would have bagged....

Jones was caught out of position, read what hazard was going to do incorrectly, turned slower than a truck and then lunged in. The guy looked like he was going to be a superstar here. I reckon that could be his last game for utd 

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6 hours ago, matt83 said:

Yeah it needs refining that’s for sure. In rugby you can hear the discussions between the referee and other official that would help.

In general I think people involved in football are terrified of change. Particularly the big clubs who won’t like a fairer playing field. But I think its necessary to give the officials help. I remember the hoopla around changing the back pass rule to avoid that farcical scenario of defender to keeper, keeper to defender, defender to keeper time wasting. I think it was Alan green who said it was a disgrace changing the rule and I forget why but goalkeepers would be horribly injured.

That all worked out to the improvement of the game as I’m sure VAR will. In spite the authorities best incompetent efforts to make it fail 

Linking the ref's mic up to the fanboy would improve things no end. Hearing the exact reasons for bookings would help fans get the ref's perspective.

Also would hopefully clear up the players swearing at the ref. Real bugbear of mine. Treat the authority with respect and they'll more than likely be more lenient with you.

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4 hours ago, Stuart said:

Yep, and the big clubs will continue to get ‘the rub of the green’.

🤣🤣🤣🤣 If you say so.

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21 minutes ago, Rover_Shaun said:

🤣🤣🤣🤣 If you say so.

Only my opinion, of course. 😉

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3 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Jones was caught out of position, read what hazard was going to do incorrectly, turned slower than a truck and then lunged in. The guy looked like he was going to be a superstar here. I reckon that could be his last game for utd 

Yeah, but Hazard is faster than him, so he can’t match him for pace. I find that people always scapegoat their favourites rather than remembering it’s a team game...

Like with Pogba, if he hadn’t gone to Juventus and simply ended up in the first team after graduating the youth team, he wouldn’t have had half the stick he’s had. He’s obviously guilty of being a giant douche on the internet, but people go well over the top with him IMO.

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Just now, K-Hod said:

Yeah, but Hazard is faster than him, so he can’t match him for pace. I find that people always scapegoat their favourites rather than remembering it’s a team game...

Like with Pogba, if he hadn’t gone to Juventus and simply ended up in the first team after graduating the youth team, he wouldn’t have had half the stick he’s had. He’s obviously guilty of being a giant douche on the internet, but people go well over the top with him IMO.

The problem Pogba has is the price tag. He is in a hiding to nothing and will be criticised if he isn’t as good as Ronaldo or Messi (relatively speaking).

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Just now, Stuart said:

The problem Pogba has is the price tag. He is in a hiding to nothing and will be criticised if he isn’t as good as Ronaldo or Messi (relatively speaking).

Absolutely mate, but he didn’t ask to be transferred for that amount. It was the going rate (rightly or wrongly, probably the latter) because of many things. Either way, like Lukaku, I think people go way over the top with him. Sanchez has done miles less for United than those two...

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40 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Yeah, but Hazard is faster than him, so he can’t match him for pace. I find that people always scapegoat their favourites rather than remembering it’s a team game...

Like with Pogba, if he hadn’t gone to Juventus and simply ended up in the first team after graduating the youth team, he wouldn’t have had half the stick he’s had. He’s obviously guilty of being a giant douche on the internet, but people go well over the top with him IMO.

That's one I've not heard from an Englishman before.

31 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Absolutely mate, but he didn’t ask to be transferred for that amount. It was the going rate (rightly or wrongly, probably the latter) because of many things. Either way, like Lukaku, I think people go way over the top with him. Sanchez has done miles less for United than those two...

I somewhat understand your Pogba view. He's got all the talent in the world but either decides not to use it or is not allowed to by Mourinho. I also agree that Sanchez was a bad signing. He's too selfish.

Jones tackle was clumsy. Hazard was too clever for him.

Conte pulled a Mourinho on Mourinho. Get a goal and defend stoutly. I

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i just think Pogba is so frustrating to watch, in that he clearly has everything needed to become a top midfielder on the face of it, but its almost as if something is missing to stop him from dominating the midfield, hes often so lethargic and slow paced, or only does it in small patches.

The price and his social media influence, and thinks like haircuts and emojis, all contribute to building him up I suppose, but hes his own biggest enemy. Needs to do more.

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3 hours ago, K-Hod said:

Yeah, but Hazard is faster than him, so he can’t match him for pace. I find that people always scapegoat their favourites rather than remembering it’s a team game...

Like with Pogba, if he hadn’t gone to Juventus and simply ended up in the first team after graduating the youth team, he wouldn’t have had half the stick he’s had. He’s obviously guilty of being a giant douche on the internet, but people go well over the top with him IMO.

No, he can't match him for pace, but he was nowhere near tight enough in that case. His utd career has been so disappointing. A real shame 

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3 hours ago, K-Hod said:

Absolutely mate, but he didn’t ask to be transferred for that amount. It was the going rate (rightly or wrongly, probably the latter) because of many things. Either way, like Lukaku, I think people go way over the top with him. Sanchez has done miles less for United than those two...

Agreed but it still means he has to perform.

The higher the ‘value’ the less time the player has to hit the ground running. Paying for the finished article.

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Surprised so many thought the final was good, I thought it was absolutely terrible, and symptomatic of everything that is bad about top flight football. For me neither side showed any particular quality on the day and it just became a competition between the two sides of who was the most adept at buying fouls for going down like they'd been shot for the merest contact.

Did Chelsea have a shot apart from Hazard's which De Gea saved with his legs and the penalty? Glad the Red Scum lost though.

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Really amazed anyone enjoyed the cup final. It was dull as dishwater I thought. 

Can't comment on the Royal wedding as I would rather remove my eyes with a rusty spoon than watch celebs oil around in stupid hats for hours. 

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