Signing players from data stats might be a safety net against landing yourself with lazy gits. Or players who can't pass 3 yards with either foot, it doesn't though tell you if they'll gel with your others to make a fluid effective team. That's where the scouts eyes and the managers nous comes in and that'll never change.

Dumb the club down into their own little operation carrying their mates and mates players. All whilst bills are paid by the wealthy foreign conglomerate. The further they move away from promotion talk and big spending the easier it is. Nice little set up in the middle of the championship plodding along and keeping people in jobs. Seems the void is being exploited yet again.

McGrath and O'Leary were hard as nails but both could play a bit as well. Perfect defenders for that era. McGrath would've been a worldie had he not had such bad knees and bad habits. Mad really how a small island turned out so many top international center halves for a period.

Think they are trying to strike a balance between keeping him fit and in the shop window versus not risking him too much. Sickening really when he's getting 15 grand a week to play for us but that's how football works. Shithouse industry.

They wave this huge flag of his boat race like he's some sort of Shankly style great leader or figurehead. Then he comes out and hides slumped way up in the seats as far from the touchline he can get without going into the stands. You really couldn't make it up.

If he's saying he's a director but he isn't surely that's a bit naughty.

I think it all comes down to him over complicating again and like you say trying to play up to this 'footballing' stereotype. He doesn't like bread and butter center defenders like himself he wants ball players instead. Difficult to get at this level but Tosin, Harwood- Bells and even Ayala fall into this category. The best defender he has is a more rugged one in Lenihen and he was inherited, that's the types we need though. Probably why he's struggled defensively everywhere he's been managing. I think teams can still play decent enough football without having to have cultured center backs. Was watching that Jack Charlton documentary the other night and he was more to the point. Defenders defend, two touches at most then away and it doesn't always have to be long ball. You shouldn't need to be Frank Rijkaard to pass the ball to a team mate at championship level.

No problem with people wanting to show their support for him but the flag thing was a club lead vomit inducing gimmick. Appearing for the cameras to wave towards India, it's a hark back to the shagnew crowd figure dressing up to protect certain people. Of course the usual suspects took to social media and a few on here defending it. Even Dalglish and Souness didn't get that treatment. Waggot OUT !

Considering how tough he looked as a defender is odd but Mowbray the manager has balls the size of raisins. He really isn't very good at backing himself with an aggressive attacking team or signings outside of his black book. All about the comfort zone for our Tony.

Wonder if the leak and the departures recently are in any way linked ? Or just another of those Venky era coincidences.

Because there's no real intention to knock it down and rebuild it. They just want to flog the land and get the money then worry about what to do next. I urge any Venky related people who might see this to investigate just exactly what that CEO and his cronies are really up to.

Mowbray manages and spins his tombola to the law of averages. 'I'll keep doing this and it'll come off sooner or later' 'Surely we'll win a game or two soon we're only losing one nil' Never ever have a night at the casino with this mon but if he invites you for a game of cards grab it with both hands, you'll fleece him.

Difference there is when Liverpool fans said they were going to boycott Barclays that potentially could have a massive effect on their business. We might have slowed trade in one branch for a day or two. With Venkys and their businesses being so far away we've never had any specific targets. Apart from Kean obviously who was quite willing to have it painted on his back whilst he held out for his millions. Plus now just as back then half our remaining fanbase NEVER wake up to what is right under their noses until it's too late. Very easy to unite our lot when the club is going places though !

There's been suspicion something like this would kick off from the min these lot rocked up. Mowbray at the time was another very odd choice of manager it makes you wonder if he came as part of a package deal with other stuff in mind. The owners and their advisors had the wheels of relegation firmly in motion with their previous shenanigans. Lets face it had we stayed down they'd have sold at least half the training ground now anyway i'd wager. Makes you wonder what the HSH boys and Pasha sold to Balaji and co to get Mowbray in the door.

Yeah they are really good at these A/B/C lists it's almost like they are trying to find people something to do. They only really need the C list and a list of potential loanees.

It is true that whilst these owners are here they are sustaining the mess they created and we are still at a better level than some. However it won't last forever and whilst this continues we just seem to live in suspended animation. Just loitering in a void of nothingness waiting for a miracle or the inevitable next implosion. At least once its happened it has happened and is done and dusted. Then the only way should be up. Can't stand Bolton and some of their stinking Manchester overspill OAP/Kindergarten stone island wannabe hoolie's. Can't help but admire the way they are bouncing back though and the hardcore are sticking with them.

You'd think he'd be angry and at least a little bit embarrassed by this horrendous run that has totally ruined the season for everyone ? No though quite the opposite he seems almost brazenly proud we are topping possession stats and only losing by the odd goals. The man is either verging on being deluded enough to believe it or he really doesn't give a shit. Either way he's detestable now it really is heading for Kean levels of ignorance. Nice guys who have spades of integrity and honesty like he's kept telling us he has don't act that way at all. This is blatant self preservation only interested in the money i really feel him and Waggot need rooting out of that place and quick. There could be another disaster just around the corner.

It's definitely a wake up call to fans who are softening to their continued debt undertaking ( debt they've created ). Seems they took an interest again because we got promoted, briefly got excited and got the cheque book out only to be told 'slow build' and please give me 15 million annually for stability. Now in typical rich Indian business nature they lost interest when it was clear there'd be no double bounce. A few years down the line it's going tits up so they inevitably bury their heads in the sand. Ignoring it other than leaving instructions to keep the lights on. Yep, it's still 'us' and 'them'.

Drugs don't work and neither does our version of possession football.

His style of football allows players to hide far too easily and again that's another symptom of the real problem. It allows multi personnel changes and kids to be plonked in without falling to bits and getting tonked every week. I think that's a large part of the reason he's adopted it, however... It's no good losing, losing is losing whichever way it's dressed up and here he's now presented them with a raft of ready made excuses. Mentality is all wrong and has been since they dumbed everything down after promotion. When instead that should've lit the fuse. If he wanted to create a pressure free enviroment he seems to have done that certainly. Soon turns into holiday camp mode, it used to be just do enough to keep everyone off our backs. Lack of fans means they aren't even bothered about that now by the looks of it and the sounds of him.

I'm unlikely buy one again in the Venky era to be honest i just have no faith in this club with them steering it. The appointment of Coyle tipped me over the edge after about 9 straight years. A few long term fans i used to go with stacked it before that because of the awful agent led nonsense. Non have yet returned full time and some of these date back to early 80's attendance like me. To be fair the early Mowbray era restored a bit of faith in the football side of things if not the rest of it. I was tempted but then Waggots handling of ST's and closing more of the ground etc put me off. For over 18 months now though iv'e seen straight through TMs babble, when you've seen a lot you just get a feel of how things start to shape up and where they'll head, ie nowhere. I don't want fanciful guarantees of success or massive transfer spends. I just want to see the real above weight punching ambition that was always associated with this club. Bad seasons, transition seasons are all part and parcel of it and so is changing manager when needed. That's where we've been at for a long while.

In truth with TM i think most of those who want change have wanted it for a while and made their own minds up over the last 18 months. The glass ceiling was hit with some force a long time ago. However last summer and the unexpected backing he received allowed a bit of breathing space and presented him with his best opportunity to back up his talk. He's failed miserably on all fronts sadly, so a few victories in end of season dead rubbers and more bold talk aren't going to alter much opinion. We know what we are dealing with now and expect bucket loads of the same, great backing or not. In short nothing will change he is what he is but all this 'integrity' and the rest of it veneer is wearing very thin now. Only the most head in the sands or manager over club lovers will remain his staunchest allies.

He has a fragile ego we've seen that the min the media asked him a few searching questions. That lasted all of 2 mins before they either bottled it or got reigned in. Things were probably said off record to fend them off. However it flagged up just how untouchable he sees himself here so any aggro from a crowd would tip him pretty quickly. The covid situ has been both a hinderance and a help to his position this season. I'd like to think results would have been better with a crowd in but not naive enough to think they would have been good enough.

I'm beyond bothering what anyone else thinks or says to be honest. SKY always have one agenda or another and we are already in their fans to blacklist book. Don't think it's an anti Rovers thing it's just too much internal influence in there from certain agents. We'll never get away from that so just got to live with it. The thing is the truth always outs in the end, it always does. They took Kean and Andersons side against the fans, they took Coyles to. Funny how they didn't throw out widespread support for Bowyer though who'd done far better than both and was getting a far rawer deal. Look where Kean and Coyle are now though and where they've been since. Fans proven right all along and it'll be the same here. Mowbray might get a decent job somewhere but it won't last. He'll be back in footballs wastelands in no time without the the security of clueless billionaire backing. I'm only bothered about what i see and hear on matchday week in week out at Rovers. Sod the wider football public and media or what they think, it doesn't matter diddly squat outside of the Blackburn area.

This is how it'll play out except he'll walk and play the victim. We are going to end up being the only club in England whose fans aren't looking forwards to getting back to normal in the ground again next season. Instead of an expectant crowd turning up we'll have a 'Mowbray out' lynch mob. Press will love that, Kean/Coyle mk2 is set to play out again here.