Lancs Rover Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 45 minutes ago, roverandout said: Since when is a ball crossing the line cheating Now known as a 'Wembley goal' in Germany...😁 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Upside Down Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 hour ago, roverandout said: Since when is a ball crossing the line cheating I was always taught the ball had to cross the line. Maybe the rules were different in the 60s. Then there's the semi final... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rigger Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 3 hours ago, roverandout said: Since when is a ball crossing the line cheating Since VAR has been introduced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrone Shoelaces Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Tabula Rasa said: Now known as a 'Wembley goal' in Germany...😁 I don’t think anybody on or off the pitch knew for sure that all the ball was over all the line. Having said that Roger Hunt, who was very near to the ball, seemed pretty certain. Edited December 22, 2023 by Tyrone Shoelaces 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roverthechimp Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) And it begins… (game to be replayed in part due to VAR) https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68116985 Edited January 27 by Roverthechimp Explanation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilsdenrover Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 9 minutes ago, Roverthechimp said: And it begins… (game to be replayed in part due to VAR) https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68116985 Let the chaos commence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arbitro Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Rovers fans flying the flag at Zwolle yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverholmes Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 22 hours ago, Roverthechimp said: And it begins… (game to be replayed in part due to VAR) https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68116985 Replay because of ‘misapplication of rules’ has precedent in England in non-league case, at least. However, if misapplication is applied to video refs, it opens up much more. The ref apparently didn’t see Ivan Toney move the ball and the foam for his free kick goal against Forest. It could be argued that video refs did see and their inaction was a misapplication of the rules in a goal situation. I saw a clip online of Dermot O’Leary answering questions on the Toney goal and he denied VAR can get involved but the seemingly deceitful way he avoided answering questions makes me doubt him. Legally, refs were the final arbiters and given leeway for human error. That seems to be ending and as well as more legal challenges to results, I fear we will have ever growing stoppages in games as VAR is involved in every key decision and officials spend more time clarifying advice. Edit: The difference between human error and ‘misapplication of rules’ seems to be a judgment on how blatant and unreasonable the error is. I think intention is factored in too. With video refs, clubs are arguing (as Club Brugge have done recently in their own appeal) that any human error is misapplication of rules. Club Brugge’s appeal got rejected but I think they have also appealed to a court of arbitration, so this may go further. Edited January 28 by riverholmes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roverthechimp Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 7 minutes ago, riverholmes said: Replay because of ‘misapplication of rules’ has precedent in England in non-league case, at least. However, if misapplication is applied to video refs, it opens up much more. The ref apparently didn’t see Ivan Toney move the ball and the foam for his free kick goal against Forest. It could be argued that video refs did see and their inaction was a misapplication of the rules in a goal situation. I saw a clip online of Dermot O’Leary answering questions on the Toney goal and he denied VAR can get involved but the seemingly deceitful way he avoided answering questions makes me doubt him. Legally, refs were the final arbiters and given leeway for human error. That seems to be ending and as well as more legal challenges to results, I fear we will have ever growing stoppages in games as VAR is involved in every key decision and officials spend more time clarifying advice. Sadly we are hurtling towards F1 levels of the result only being a preliminary classification 🤬 Clubs will employ video analysts to scour through games to find breaches and appeal for the game to be replayed as something did not comply with the letter of the law (not necessarily the intention of said law) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilsdenrover Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 3 hours ago, riverholmes said: Replay because of ‘misapplication of rules’ has precedent in England in non-league case, at least. However, if misapplication is applied to video refs, it opens up much more. The ref apparently didn’t see Ivan Toney move the ball and the foam for his free kick goal against Forest. It could be argued that video refs did see and their inaction was a misapplication of the rules in a goal situation. I saw a clip online of Dermot O’Leary answering questions on the Toney goal and he denied VAR can get involved but the seemingly deceitful way he avoided answering questions makes me doubt him. Legally, refs were the final arbiters and given leeway for human error. That seems to be ending and as well as more legal challenges to results, I fear we will have ever growing stoppages in games as VAR is involved in every key decision and officials spend more time clarifying advice. Edit: The difference between human error and ‘misapplication of rules’ seems to be a judgment on how blatant and unreasonable the error is. With video refs, clubs are arguing (as Club Brugge have done recently in their own appeal) that any human error is misapplication of rules. Club Brugge’s appeal got rejected but I think they have also appealed to a court of arbitration, so this may go further. That incident certainly seemed like a clear and obvious error and it absolutely led to a goal so… Edited January 28 by wilsdenrover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllRoverAsia Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) VAR awards a very dodgy pen to Iran to bring the semi to 2-2. An atrocious decision. Iran must pay well. Qatar finally won 3-2 but not until after the invented 13 minutes added time plus another 3 minutes added, reasons only known to Iran and the bent Ref. TBF Iran bossed the second half but spurned good chances and had atrocious luck in those late 3 mins added. But I'm delighted to see the back of Iran to set up a Jordan v Qatar final. Edited February 7 by AllRoverAsia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilsdenrover Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Which of our players do we think would do this? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/68704147 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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