Hi Eddie, You may well be right, but are you aware of one of the posters on here, who was threatened, his pregnant wife assaulted and him also being offered bribes to back off from doing the investigating he was prepared to do at the time? Now that may all have been for some innocent reason, but, he was trying to get to the truth and all this happened to him. FACT.

I don't know if it is available on a legal or illegal market, but assuming total teams shots are, then it stacks up. Someone has suggested spot fixing, rather than throwing the game and that seems to make more sense to me. I am not saying, I am definitely correct, but when you look at what Philips has also posted about the WBA game, things are looking a touch suspicious in my opinion.

Remember, we had paid up the contracts of several established players and then brought in, those wanted by the manager and his agent. Granted a team game is harder to fix than an individual sport, but if we had 3 or 4 players all in on it, then it becomes a lot more likely. Statements made about Ryan being on traction and other crazy things said, are coming sharply back into focus.

We would be another Luton, only without the bounce. That's unless they leave of course and tomorrow could be the start.

Ok, just for fun, I have looked at the games on Saturday in all of the 4 top divisions and the number of shots per game/ team are below. There were none with 0 but a couple with 2 and 3. It might be prove very little, but given at least what a few of us on here suspect, it might tell a tale. I suspect no shots at all, is a VERY rare occurence. MU 15 Ev 23, Bo 32 S U 13, CP 21 L T 8, Wol 8 Ful 23, Arse 17 Bre 9 Car 15, Ips 8, Rov 8, Pl 21, Hull 8 Lei 15, Mill 12 B Ham 16, NoR 5 Rot, 2, PNE 5 Sto 13, QPR 10 Boro 7, South 21, Sun 13, Wat 19 Cov 8 Bar 11 Lin 17, B Pool 5 Ports 11, BR 6 Der 15, Bur 12 Pet 14, Cam 4 Nor 8, Char 17 Car 6, Exe 11 BWFC 13, Ox 17 Chel 10, PV 16, Shrews 8, Read 15 Wyc 10. Steve 12 Fleet 4, Wig 10, Ley 10. Acc 16 Bra 17, Bar 8 Col 9, Donc 14 Crewe 9, For G 5 Wal 17, Gill 26, Tra 10, Harr 17 Cra 18, MKD 9 Sal 9, Mans 22 Swi 20, Morc 6 Wrex 20, Notts C 8 Wim 8, Stock 27 Newp 3, Sutt 9 Grims 20

I hated Orr already, but hate him even more now.

I wonder how often that happens? For a team not to have a single shot either on or off target, I would think is pretty rare. If I get time later I might check the last fees days fixtures.

If we go down, we will not finish in the top half. I think is a lot more likely that we will end up in the fourth tier than bouncing back and we will still have a lunatic fringe defending the owners. Where would we be without them?

The guy who wrote the article was rather cutting and injected plenty of humor. It was as though he had been primed that this one was fixed.

I could substitute the first word as Waggott and it wouldn’t look out of place.

Not to mention Millwall away, when we came from behind and won.

I am basing what I think on what I saw on Tuesday and yesterday. We were all over the place at the back yesterday. It wasn’t as though some slick passing or great through balls were opening us up, a simple punt over the top and their striker was through. That happened at least 3 times and let’s face it, we were very lucky not to get hammered.

I wonder if their manager announced before the game, that is wasn’t a must win, to take the pressure off?

We will definitely get beat and assuming Boro can finish better than Plymouth can, it will be resounding. Given the return of 4 points from 6 games and no wins so far, this will rank as one of the worst starts ever for a Rovers boss. There will still be no action taken and the odd poster still believing we will stay up. PS Huddersfield just went one up.

Thanks. I think we will get 4 or less and go down. Hope like hell you are correct though.

Este es mas facil.

Fair enough with what you want to say I guess, but do you actually really believe we forgot to send the paper work for McGuire? Any idea who it might have been that forgot and any idea why no one seems to have been disciplined for it? Also, given what you have said with the squad and the manager, in your opinion how many wins do you think he will get from the remaining games? I think he will get no more than one and will not be that surprised to see none.

I have just checked. Scott Dann scored 5 own goals in 138 premier league games, but not all for us.

I’m angry just reading about what he has said in here. I haven’t had the stomach to actually listen to any yet. That is itself tells a story I guess.

Are you able to post what you saw at West Brom Philip?

Funny you should mention trifles in a post containing Fleck.

This is typically what is bet on the legal and illegal markets. Truly staggering. https://tribune.com.pk/story/958476/upto-one-billion-euros-bet-on-each-premier-league-match

The match screams of fixed and here is a reminder. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/apr/29/tottenham-hotspur-blackburn-rovers-minute-by-minute

A game that was live on TV in the UK and beyond and had millions bet on it. Shots on it off target BRFC 0 Spurs 19. I remember the post match interview from King Rat and the look on the faces of the pundits on n the studio, which was one of pure bafflement.

No wins so far and I see none out of the next 4.By then it will be too late. We panicked, chose quickly and chose a dud.