I’m not too fussed either way personally. Would be a little frustrated at the “starting again” element but would be a test of this new structure, and we’ve been told there are succession lists for all areas (including players, coaches, staff etc) Wouldn’t miss the tippy tappy goalkeeper to Centre back to goalkeeper bollox either. I’m not suggesting we’d be better off throwing JDT and his style away, but fuck, I could do without the weak as piss defending, bad organisation and laborious build up play.

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It’s Andy Bayes that. I don’t dislike his commentary or his general opinions, but he is 100% a preston fan…! When he commentates on our games, you can hear the frustration when we score 😂

Much easier to convince SG who’s next step is likely downwards!

There’s an simpler way to see it. Parachute payment team first year sponsorship money; Roughly 45m None parachute team sponsorship money; 5m Forgetting turnover or selling players for a second, how can any non PP team in the division, stop proven top championship players leaving to PP teams? There is no way to compete with the remuneration. Also, the gap in skill / ability level between top championship players and bottom half premier league standard isn’t that great. Rothwell, Armstrong and Brereton Diaz next, all examples of players who’ve financially “outgrown” us. Lenihan and Nyambe, different questions but east to understand when you’re trying to stretch your turnover to a decent squad, when rivals for promotion generally are teams with far more scope for a wage bill. Trying to beat last seasons relegated teams is akin to playing heads up poker against someone with nearly ten times starting stack. If only we’d gone for a multi award and trophy winning up and coming manager when we’d been relegated instead of the Cumbernauld C word.

Signed in for the first time in a while to see if there is any transfer rumours beyond the LET and as expected it’s just the same cyclical arguments. Hence, found myself skimming other threads and a simple answer to your question @Tom from me is “No”. Still is, and will be one of my favourite pastimes, seeing family and friends. I’m looking forward to an actual home game, on a Saturday at 3pm (first in 3 months), which is also a winnable chance to put us in the 5th round of the FA cup. It might be an idea for some who’ve become extremely fed up and cynical with Rovers, to take your eyes off this website. This has helped my mental health at least. In terms of becoming bored of football altogether, and sick of the way it’s developed - stupid kick off times, VAR, the ridiculous sponsorship / financial scenarios, wages and transfer fees… I can fully understand that, hence why hardly ever watch Sky matches or any premier league.

Re that in bold - Do you understand the point of spending 5m or whatever it is a year for an academy?

How another Centreback fits into our MO? I can’t seriously read past that utter nonsense. Did you see the teamsheet Tuesday?

Wouldn’t be the first or last to have issues and come back from them. May be a good example. Youre welcome to write him off mind but as always I’ll happily get splinters.

He’s 30 not 36 and he’s played nearly 100 times in the championship. When you’ve got players like Barnes, Carter and Phillips - surely someone with experience is a good thing?

Captain obviously, but don’t devalue the importance of selling players to fund renewals for any players developing - the Travis, the Buckley’s, the Whartons.

See Ian’s post above - even if they didn’t spend a penny of it on extra players, and the owners just used it to cover losses, it’s STILL going into the squad, because we’re losing millions per season with wages > turnover!

Depends if you class wages as “going into playing squad” since that’s where the bulk of all our money goes, above turnover, and makes up most of the debt to the owners.

@Herbie6590good point - as trousering could be just another word for putting proceeds in clubs pockets so no outside investment is necessary. In the past it’s been used in conspiracy here as dodgy or illicit payments out of the club. Combine that with quotes from GB and JDT “sustainable premier league club” and past ones about Brentford (no owner investment) and what @K-Hod says perfect sense. For me that’s the correct way to go, but it just shows how broken football is when we need to sell a player every season to even support a modest (for level and expectation) wage bill.

You do you.

Trousering? Aka taking money out of the business? Why on earth would they be putting 8/10m a season in via share capital then?

On the debt initially - what is it? 250m+? Is that about 20m a season “invested?”One of the reasons why I’d always consider that aspect in our financial management, is the prospect of “life after Venkys” - in basic terms, the lower this amount, the better, where a sale is concerned. We all want that, surely? In terms of PNE / Blackpool / Millwall comparison - have they made any business you think we should’ve been all over? Also those teams all have lower expectations and probably different lists where transfers are concerned. Whereas it’s conceivable we’re trying to find the options available lower premier league, higher wages etc - and it’s also conceivable those sort of talents are on others lists; Anel. I acknowledge and share the frustration of playing this waiting game, but I’d hold the system accountable more than competence at this point, especially where GB and JDT are concerned. The idea of having a window closing after 8 games is ludicrous for a start, the gap between wages and sponsorship between 20th and 21st in the football pyramid is a another big issue. On the “Jam tomorrow” thing - surely there is some middle ground? I know “give x amount of windows” is almost a cliche round here now, but time has to be given. Finally on the conspiracy stuff; I agree already on the disinterested owners but in terms of the money aspect, their spend is there to see. It’s been mishandled, their making, a vacuum between club and final decision maker, but it’s never been a trickle. If you’re suggesting we forget about rules / regulations and spend whatever we want, sponsor whatever, basically force their way round the system - that would be nice, but competition (due to that premier league sponsorship) is so fierce, we could end up like many of the big city clubs (Derby and Sheff Wed as we speak) who’ve fallen foul to the point they can’t even offer players contracts. I know Mowbray drove everyone mental with his “Journey” bollox, but there’s definitely something in his descriptions of slowly building up players to sell, to enable us to actually spend (wages and Fees) without the possibility of sanction.

Couple of tweets from Nixon. Price is about BBD.

Financial scenario is high debt, low turnover and difficult margins with FFP constraints (see last summers registration embargo and ultimately having to sell training ground). Secondly - competition for players capable of being top “champ” level is fierce, and there’s a list of teams who can offer more based on these financial issues. Anel for example. People can say “well go get someone else”, but it has to be the right one. As we’ve seen with Ayala - risk, big wage, and has been injured far too often to justify. It’s not easy. Another reason for the difficulty is Reputationally we’re not a favourite for promotion or play offs, despite position early season or last year (your momentum analogy was embarrassing imo) and thus players of that ilk and ability, would probably choose one of those (not forgetting wage packet) as it’s a quicker and more likely route to 50k a week. Yes, we’d have no problem plucking players from lower champ and league one - but for finding players who will truly make the difference at this level, isn’t easy. Importantly - I must add; The owners could have a far far better system in place, in fact they even acknowledged that by changing it up this summer. It’s important to say this as I’m often painted as someone who doesn’t have any complaints. That’s absolutely not true. In terms of this new setup though? Surely one window? Or maybe even 1 season is time to see what transpires? Rather than jump for the “broughton is a dud” ( @SuperBrfc) or one of your half baked conspiracies?

I simply cannot comprehend why you will not acknowledge one single difficulty with transfers from our specific financial state and current reputation. I’ve tried to fathom it, but it just doesn’t make any sense. I can acknowledge that we’ve hardly got the very best for the job but you won’t budge a single inch, and paint every issue as an excuse. @J*B can we have a links only thread for the last week, I cannot wade through anymore of this.

This is a good way of improving our fanbase, and also international support if you read the comments.

I’ll remember that next time I’m sent to the stands 😂

Just reminded me of him, the “Buckley’s rubbish and if you think differently you’re lying to yourself”.

Suggesting anyone who sees redeeming quality, ability etc - is “telling yourself something you want to be true”? Not what I’d call persuasive. The list you made was only things you didn’t like. I assume you’ve seen the goal against Birmingham? Or the countless through balls, creative switches of play? Or the ability to nick the ball regularly by judging a pass? Theres loads of positive to add to the areas he needs development in. The idea that he’s been given a free ride because we “want him” to do well is just snidey, patronising and “Jalesque” This section is reserved for people I think post purely for a reaction. From this perspective, you got what you asked for.

There is a difference between a poorly thought out opinion and listing only the negative, bad aspects about someone and then suggest everyone else is lying to themselves to feel better. Purposely incendiary - there’s many posters who get a kick from that shit here, MB. You know that surely?