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Re that in bold - Do you understand the point of spending 5m or whatever it is a year for an academy?

How another Centreback fits into our MO? I can’t seriously read past that utter nonsense. Did you see the teamsheet Tuesday?

Wouldn’t be the first or last to have issues and come back from them. May be a good example. Youre welcome to write him off mind but as always I’ll happily get splinters.

He’s 30 not 36 and he’s played nearly 100 times in the championship. When you’ve got players like Barnes, Carter and Phillips - surely someone with experience is a good thing?

Captain obviously, but don’t devalue the importance of selling players to fund renewals for any players developing - the Travis, the Buckley’s, the Whartons.

See Ian’s post above - even if they didn’t spend a penny of it on extra players, and the owners just used it to cover losses, it’s STILL going into the squad, because we’re losing millions per season with wages > turnover!

Depends if you class wages as “going into playing squad” since that’s where the bulk of all our money goes, above turnover, and makes up most of the debt to the owners.

@Herbie6590good point - as trousering could be just another word for putting proceeds in clubs pockets so no outside investment is necessary. In the past it’s been used in conspiracy here as dodgy or illicit payments out of the club. Combine that with quotes from GB and JDT “sustainable premier league club” and past ones about Brentford (no owner investment) and what @K-Hod says perfect sense. For me that’s the correct way to go, but it just shows how broken football is when we need to sell a player every season to even support a modest (for level and expectation) wage bill.

You do you.

Trousering? Aka taking money out of the business? Why on earth would they be putting 8/10m a season in via share capital then?

On the debt initially - what is it? 250m+? Is that about 20m a season “invested?”One of the reasons why I’d always consider that aspect in our financial management, is the prospect of “life after Venkys” - in basic terms, the lower this amount, the better, where a sale is concerned. We all want that, surely? In terms of PNE / Blackpool / Millwall comparison - have they made any business you think we should’ve been all over? Also those teams all have lower expectations and probably different lists where transfers are concerned. Whereas it’s conceivable we’re trying to find the options available lower premier league, higher wages etc - and it’s also conceivable those sort of talents are on others lists; Anel. I acknowledge and share the frustration of playing this waiting game, but I’d hold the system accountable more than competence at this point, especially where GB and JDT are concerned. The idea of having a window closing after 8 games is ludicrous for a start, the gap between wages and sponsorship between 20th and 21st in the football pyramid is a another big issue. On the “Jam tomorrow” thing - surely there is some middle ground? I know “give x amount of windows” is almost a cliche round here now, but time has to be given. Finally on the conspiracy stuff; I agree already on the disinterested owners but in terms of the money aspect, their spend is there to see. It’s been mishandled, their making, a vacuum between club and final decision maker, but it’s never been a trickle. If you’re suggesting we forget about rules / regulations and spend whatever we want, sponsor whatever, basically force their way round the system - that would be nice, but competition (due to that premier league sponsorship) is so fierce, we could end up like many of the big city clubs (Derby and Sheff Wed as we speak) who’ve fallen foul to the point they can’t even offer players contracts. I know Mowbray drove everyone mental with his “Journey” bollox, but there’s definitely something in his descriptions of slowly building up players to sell, to enable us to actually spend (wages and Fees) without the possibility of sanction.

Couple of tweets from Nixon. Price is about BBD.

Financial scenario is high debt, low turnover and difficult margins with FFP constraints (see last summers registration embargo and ultimately having to sell training ground). Secondly - competition for players capable of being top “champ” level is fierce, and there’s a list of teams who can offer more based on these financial issues. Anel for example. People can say “well go get someone else”, but it has to be the right one. As we’ve seen with Ayala - risk, big wage, and has been injured far too often to justify. It’s not easy. Another reason for the difficulty is Reputationally we’re not a favourite for promotion or play offs, despite position early season or last year (your momentum analogy was embarrassing imo) and thus players of that ilk and ability, would probably choose one of those (not forgetting wage packet) as it’s a quicker and more likely route to 50k a week. Yes, we’d have no problem plucking players from lower champ and league one - but for finding players who will truly make the difference at this level, isn’t easy. Importantly - I must add; The owners could have a far far better system in place, in fact they even acknowledged that by changing it up this summer. It’s important to say this as I’m often painted as someone who doesn’t have any complaints. That’s absolutely not true. In terms of this new setup though? Surely one window? Or maybe even 1 season is time to see what transpires? Rather than jump for the “broughton is a dud” ( @SuperBrfc) or one of your half baked conspiracies?

I simply cannot comprehend why you will not acknowledge one single difficulty with transfers from our specific financial state and current reputation. I’ve tried to fathom it, but it just doesn’t make any sense. I can acknowledge that we’ve hardly got the very best for the job but you won’t budge a single inch, and paint every issue as an excuse. @J*B can we have a links only thread for the last week, I cannot wade through anymore of this.

This is a good way of improving our fanbase, and also international support if you read the comments.

I’ll remember that next time I’m sent to the stands 😂

Just reminded me of him, the “Buckley’s rubbish and if you think differently you’re lying to yourself”.

Suggesting anyone who sees redeeming quality, ability etc - is “telling yourself something you want to be true”? Not what I’d call persuasive. The list you made was only things you didn’t like. I assume you’ve seen the goal against Birmingham? Or the countless through balls, creative switches of play? Or the ability to nick the ball regularly by judging a pass? Theres loads of positive to add to the areas he needs development in. The idea that he’s been given a free ride because we “want him” to do well is just snidey, patronising and “Jalesque” This section is reserved for people I think post purely for a reaction. From this perspective, you got what you asked for.

There is a difference between a poorly thought out opinion and listing only the negative, bad aspects about someone and then suggest everyone else is lying to themselves to feel better. Purposely incendiary - there’s many posters who get a kick from that shit here, MB. You know that surely?

Not a big fan of breaking posts up Chaddy style but I thought this deserved its own reply. Do you think being so patronising helps your argument? That’s a fantastic list of all the things he and many other footballers do wrong at times. There’s no point in me listing good things about his game, because despite @Mattyblue’s attempt to justify slagging players off without any actual balance, you’ve already come to a ridiculous conclusion. Ill just put you into the “JAL” section of “posters I’ll try never to read or reply too again”. Good day sir.

What do you base this on?

Re the part in bold - when your record is bad, don’t be surprised to be picked up on ideas / suggestions, because the general feeling here is that you couldn’t pick your nose, never mind a good player out.

yet took a clean sheet yet worked hard and created an opportunity for our goal It’s as if you only find the bad stuff!

We’ve started the season without completing most of our business many times in the last decade, and I’m not sure how you can blame Broughton for people leaving before he even arrived.

Yesterday was Carter is a donkey based on a friendly and today is the DOF who’s been in the building 6 weeks, again not an easy mindset to understand.