JHR what do you suggest would work? Owners write debt off? Manager replaced by Mourinho? 50m war chest?

I’d say owners - 11 year malaise. Do you know what I mean though? As it’s a vicious circle. The more that walk away, the more the ship is harder to steer? Finger pointing gets us nowhere.

Hopefully not. Whilst there’s a whole host of issues we can chomp on, is there a club in the entire football league that doesn’t put away travel on? Does the club having a decent income from supporters REALLY MATTER when it comes to investing in players, staff and contracts? Does the 200m in debt because of constant mismanagement REALLY MATTER?… I get what you’re saying MB, and I agree with the importance / worrying aspect of a few of those. In terms of turnover / debt; We’ve been close to the line even before covid, and none of that has ever been the fans fault…. I REPEAT, NONE OF THAT HAS EVER BEEN THE FANS FAULT! When we’re thinking mindset / approach to a solution; Taking our interest and money out of the club will only make things worse, when you’ve absent (minded) owners, a few self preserving directors and also a FFP system that’s effectively designed to push smaller town teams backwards.

Thankfully - if there was any chance of it happening, it hasn’t. Would’ve been a complete joke if the club suddenly pulled this service.

Also can I point out to those charged with the responsibility of keeping these forums in line with the guidelines- I have in no way “blamed the fans” and I would argue that this sort of response is actually “goading”

Rumour you’ve heard they’re not putting away travel on. Literally quashed.

Yes

1. Possibly and I think it’s beneficial to be early just not a “Scandal” if they’re in June/July 2. Again I don’t buy kits regularly so I possibly agree somewhat, no experience of ever having any issue, but there was with suppliers this season and it’s worth remembering. 3. I’m the man in the orthopaedic shoes on this one but thankfully the rumour about not having club transport was nonsense. Just so you know, I don’t “think it is the job of a true fan to accept being made a fool of by lowlife like Waggott and Venkys but I don't.” Equally - I don’t think the job of a “supporter” is to find every single thing they dislike about the club, manager, directors, owners and peddle it daily on a forum “for the fans”. Its great that we get to make our own minds up on that.

Three word slogan + dragging up old argument = pointless even replying

I agree with the notion that more needs to be done to maximise the amount of people in the ground for our benefit. I never said anything was the fans fault, if a third won’t support the team because of the manager - it’s a huge issue. The questions it raises though, how much does that lack of “support” ie turnover impact our actual chances of being successful? Is it such a contentious question? Is there any point of separate threads if everything has to be boiled down to 3 words slogans like “blame the fans”, “just sack Tony” etc ?

Feckin Fettis

Maybe it’s because a third of the fanbase (using Brfcs) won’t support the team because of the manager? Where as the other clubs you mention don’t have the same “failure of recent expectations”? Just a thought? Also - I can’t ever remember anyone ever complaining that the tickets / travel aren’t available, (when they’re actually on the website) even if the process isn’t as good as it used to be. I also hate seeing unsubstantiated rumours, as you well know. Two seconds on the website quashed the one JHR was peddling.

It’s part of the reason I always felt the transfer windows should shut before the season starts Len!

Yea - I’m sure many people hated Kean but we still had 2x as many fans. The manager is an easy excuse but I think it suggests that many of our fanbase aren’t interested unless the expectations are promotion. The irony / catch 22 is 5000 season tickets at £400 is 2m. In our position that’s probably a player for a season or a new contract for someone.

I know many prefer to focus on the issues, the likes of Mulgrew / Graham having contracts extended, the 13m on Gallagher and BB, the Ayala contract etc, the reliance on loans… For me it’s more like; BB is a ready made replacement for AA, (we surely need a CC next) we’ve got rid of many players we all knew couldn’t take us any further - the bells, the Bennett’s and the Evans. We’ve several talents on the fringe of the squad like Garrett and we normally get trusted with top loans like Tosin, Harvey and Harwood Bellis. So last minute transfers might dictate which system we used, from the two we’ve utilised during pre season? Again - something that seems normal to me is seen as a scandal here?

1. We could’ve put season tickets on sale 6 months ago and there still would’ve been a huge rush this week. As I said I earlier this year - people don’t spend £500 for something they can’t use till August, many of the fans will be paying DD also. 2. Kit issues caused by suppliers and timing of previous deal ending. Don’t forget this when you’re accentuating issues to create a big picture. 3. Away tickets/travel has always been the week before. Despite the inability to get through on the phone - the website has the tickets AND transport up- https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2021/august/Ticket-news-Millwall-v-Rovers/ 4. Why would you want “mealy mouthed” club spokesman/ Waggott updates? We can see with our eyes whats going on (across the leagues too). I was under the impression Steve W was unpopular? We’re all allowed an opinion - I agree with you the club could / should be run far better than it is currently but I’m not convinced it’s as bad as you make it out. Also if a third of the posters / fans on this website will refuse to support the club because of the current manager - what does that say about our fanbase as a whole?

Nothing about Garrett? From the Leeds and Bolton displays - I would have this lad in my first team setup from the off this season. Especially when Travis looks so far off the pace. His tackling is very good, he reads the game well. I thought his first touch passing and movement against leeds made him stand out. Excited to see how he gets on.

Or perhaps if we’re not constantly making up new reasons to suggest bad management, there’s a couple of systems we play (aka in the Bolton game) and we’re looking to bring players to suit either?

Petulant ? I would call referring back EVERY SINGLE POINT OF DISCUSSION to “Tony Mowbray out” petulant, but then that’s just my opinion. If this website continues be dominated by the likes of yourself - I’ll quite happily quote you and describe it as a “cess pit”

Of course professionals surround themselves with people they know - not even talking about football. I run a business, I tend to employ and trust graduates I taught / worked with in their education- why is it such a frigging problem for rovers? Surely posters (including yourself) can analyse an appointment without referring back to the same argument? I don’t think there’s a rovers fan who doesn’t think the best scenario would’ve been a new manager, but presumably, the most rational of those now accept it’s time to move on for at least this season?

Can’t remember Souness having to put up with being unable to offer top talents for this league the best wages either but let’s not forget the reason his championship impact wasn’t/isnt criticised is because he was a success Park deserves a chance but he won’t get that from the mainstay of BRFCS posters - as highlighted by site owners suggesting he could get a job off Mowbray in any circumstance. Pointless even attempting to discuss.

Absolutely. Let’s judge him on signings. I seem to remember Souness hiring boersma / Saunders and signing harkness Byornebye and Friedel, yet I can’t remember a single rovers fan suggesting it was “jobs for the boys”.

And winds lots of us up and turns us off the point of a forum. End of the day that’s just my view point, maybe its just bad timing in my part that I catch ;cathartic, unfunny attempts at humour in threads, or unsubstantiated conspiracy theories, or flip flopping, writing off players, accusing posters of “defending the club”, posters accusing renewers as “supporting our decline” etc. Anyway, to the pub for what should be a historic day for English football.

I hadn’t noticed that. Do you find that funny? I personally would rather start chewing at my own limbs.

@Miller11 You couldn’t make it up… Oh wait you just did? Personally would rather not see cathartic jackanory in the transfer thread but that’s just me. That’ll teach me for signing in.