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A quick glance at what Preston have done to hit 10,000 season tickets by the end of May. Get rid of a crap manager (McAvoy) and his coaching staff. Appoint a highly rated ambitious manager (Lowe) and his coaching staff. Cut season ticket prices to a reasonable price. Push them. What have Rovers done? Let Mowbray linger until the bitter end, retained his coaching staff, likely botched his replacement, put prices up to some of the highest in the country, and done nothing to promote other than some tacky videos with 'committed' fans

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Big difference between utilising the academy but being focused on results and promotion - which is what Farke had at Norwich - and then focusing on the academy as a means to avoid spending money on external players and being more interested in individual development than the overall success of the club - which is something I worry has happened here.

I agree, that on balance I'd go with Farke before Carvalhal if both were open to the job and realistic options. I base that on his performance at Norwich, and partly on Carvalhal's short termism, and not on perceptions of Carvalhal as a result of his apparent move to the UAE. Most unemployed managers will move where they get a good offer. That includes Middle East, Russia, China. I doubt Farke went off to distant Krasnodar for the fun of it, he'll have been offered a good deal, though to be fair he was principled enough to walk away after the invasion of Ukraine began.

Interesting we are now getting people saying that Carvalhal wasn't the right man for us because he's seemingly taking a well paid job in the UAE. Talk about him being a mercenary only motivated by money. Farke was the manager of Krasnodar in Russia earlier this year....is that much different?

I often bang the drum about getting tickets released early and that this might make a difference. I can only speak from a personal perspective but it would for me. Usually February and March are quiet months and relatively inexpensive stage of the year. I don't have much on and don't usually go away. So if the Club had released an attractive early bird package at that time with a strong incentive to renew early I would probably have just done it to get it sorted and benefit from the lower cost. Then usually May and June are expensive times of the year, the weather gets better, weddings to go to, usually a holiday in June, go out to the pub more, cricket. So disposable income drops and other things take priority. The last thing on my mind right now is handing over £400+ to Rovers for something I won't be able to 'enjoy' until July/August, especially not when there is little incentive - ok there's a £30 increase if I wait - but that isn't enough to force me into taking action now. If the Club had dealt with the managerial situation effectively - and had communicated properly vis a vis Mowbray's departure or had already appointed a competent new manager then this might sway me into action. For example if Farke was announced this afternoon I would probably show my support to such a decision by renewing right away. But I continue to retain a feeling of dread and concern about what they have planned and will not blindly hand over my money without seeing what it is they do next. I said this last summer but Covid has altered my outlook on things and I've arrived at a stage where I am very relaxed about things to do with Rovers. If I renew it will be when I'm ready to do so and not before. As the new season approaches I might well 'get the bug' again and do it but I'm not playing games with Waggott and co. Sick of being taken for granted and treated like sh1t by Rovers. Top end Championship prices I expect a minimum standard of product and professionalism to be delivered. We certainly haven't had that and if we are looking at half the names in the betting for a new manager then that isn't acceptable.

Preston closing in on 10,000 sales with their early bird discount ending at the weekend. QPR now on sale from £235 and have installed rail seating for those who want it #wevedoneallwecan

No issue if we 'move on' to a similar or better quality option. But I do have a problem if 'moving on' means we go shopping in the bargain bin and end up with yet another hideous appointment but one that is cheap and grateful. Fact is that Carvalhal can attract interest from elsewhere and command a salary in the UAE. Hardly any of the other options on the list of names linked so far would get near even an offer to work in the UAE, because they are unknown, unproven entities with no track record behind them.

Inclined to agree. Suspect there was interest from both sides on Carvalhal and indeed he ticked most boxes for us. But as expected when it came to getting the deal done it required binning off the existing coaching staff, bringing in his team and paying them all good money, suspect sent us looking elsewhere... Love to be proven wrong on this but not confident in the slightest. The priority here has always been cheap, easy and grateful. Farke and Carvalhal would not be. Unsworth, Adkins, Woodgate, Ferguson and the rest of the list would be.

So starting to look like it is Farke or bust for me. Sounds like Carvalhal has decided to go to the UAE for a year so we've missed the boat there whether through our own decision making or him getting fed up of waiting. None of the other names in the betting come close to Farke or Carvalhal. There are a few small but intriguing names the rest are nothing short of abysmal. I just hope they have a plan here because I'm getting a feeling of deja vu and expect some horrendous name to get the job just before pre season starts.

Yes, I've long suspected that whilst the initial plan and impetus will be on getting a 'big name' or 'big hitter' in as manager that there will be a gradual scaling back of this grand plan over the course of a few weeks. Initially there will have been expressions of interest from some relatively big names. There will probably have been some excitement in Waggott's office seeing some of the quality coming in. This is an attractive club and job and there will be countless unemployed or lower division managers who would fancy coming here and having a good season or two, getting promoted or at the very least enhancing their reputations in the game. But I think as time wears on, and as other considerations come into that mix, we will gradually whittle down the list eliminating the good quality, sought after managers leaving behind a mixture of untried and untested, lower league or unwanted options who will happily wait all summer or agree to our demands. Getting a bloke like Carvalhal will be a relatively expensive and complex undertaking, requiring commitment to a substantial outlay on wages and transfers, bringing in his various coaching staff members and removing those already at the club. Of course at most clubs with any semblance of ambition this is par for the course, a fact of life when changing managers but here if there's a corner to be cut it usually is. Think of it like a transfer window - time after time we've sat around for weeks being 'linked' to good players (Assombalonga syndrome) being told there are exciting names being worked on, that there's a budget to be used, that we should trust the process. And at the end of it invariably we are left disappointed as we fail to get the job done or resort to cheaper, easier options that are of lesser quality. Same people making the decision on a new manager. I also think those running Rovers perhaps arrogantly assume that these managers will sit around waiting for weeks on end whilst we decide what to do or whilst we get approval from India or that these managers will take whatever salary it is we are offering with various strings attached to do the job. I also think they overestimate their own abilities and when a decent manager gets around a table with them or applies any sort of scrutiny to what the Rovers people are saying it will become clear quite quickly that all isn't as it seems at Ewood and whilst on the outside looking in we might appear to be a normal, functioning, stable even ambitious club scratch beneath the surface with Waggott and Shadow Man and we are anything but.

I think there's a few misconceptions or myths developing about him 1 - has he done well as caretaker? He's had 5 games in total across 2 spells and won 1 of them. He galvanised the club but that was more down to his status at Everton and maniacal behavior on the touchline, neither of which he would have elsewhere or be able to sustain as a full time manager 2 - has he worked his way up? Would he have had the job he has if he wasn't an Everton legend from his playing days? Does he know how to develop kids? How do we know this? 3 - see above - he has given a damn about Everton because that's his club and he's had to galvanise them in the short term with a vocal fanbase behind him in the PL. Completely different to a permanent role in the Championship. 5 - he hasn't failed (yet) because he hasn't done anything. Why at 50 has he never managed before?

Has the deadline not been extended because it has only just dawned on them that Thursday and Friday are Bank Holidays, so it seems a bit daft having the cut off as the Saturday

Ah right ok

He doesn't have a record. He's never managed before. Of course Evertonians will push him. He's a legend there.

Sigh. Could you name me a professional football club that doesn't carry out remedial work on the pitch during the summer? Why is this seen as some sort of accomplishment that a Championship football club replaces the top layer of its pitch after a season of use? Crafty use of the word 'weaved' too - similar to 'stitched' - this is not a 'stitched' pitch which would cost considerable amounts and was what Waggott lied and said we would be getting last summer. What we are getting is the bare minimum. Communication on kits? Crikey I thought the Community Trust was an independent charity. Not sure why those running Rovers deserve credit for that work.

Well if we look at the 3 promoted managers this season I don't think any of them were appointed following month+ long searches, expanding shortlists and sitting there waiting for applications and expressions of interest to come in. Each of those clubs knew more or less what they were after and went after their targets.

I've seen a few saying we should relax, and that as long as the new guy is ready to see the players when they report back for pre-season (June 13th is my understanding) that until then we can take our time. Whilst strictly true that works on the assumption that it wouldn't help for the new manager to have some time before then to prepare. assess and do groundwork. The job of a manager, especially when we need plenty of new players, does not begin when pre-season training starts.

You missed off the all important criteria of the Merseyside link (Critchley, Ferguson, Lewtas) and past record of working at youth level, both of which keep on cropping up with alarming regularity.

And Sam Allardyce brought through Phil Jones and Grant Hanley, is he one of these managers that 'promotes youth' that seems to be the obsession around here? Anyone who has managed before will be able to point to some young players who have developed or progressed in their time in charge. As far as I am concerned working in an academy is irrelevant to the job of managing Rovers. Ferguson is 50 and has never managed before, save for two short caretaker stints at Everton. I would also be worried one of the reasons he's been behind the scenes there for so long and worked under good managers is more to do with his experience of the club and popularity with fans than it is him being an excellent coach. Disaster waiting to happen IMO but one I can see the idiots at Rovers rolling with.

Which of the names you mentioned have a proven background in that area? The way I see it is that any decent manager will do those things IF the players are good enough. What we don't want is a manager that focuses on individuals to the detriment of results. Willem Tomlinson made his debut under Coyle, Adam Henley under Kean. Neither of those people should have been anywhere near the job of managing this club yet both could show they had 'brought through youth'.

It could be irrelevant who we have interviewed or who is interested anyway. As we saw with Warnock we can get the best man for the job lined up and agreed only for other parties to change things at the last minute. So even if our list is Farke, Carvalhal, Dyche and Santo and all are willing to come here it might not matter if someone else decides otherwise and Adkins or Woodgate get the job instead.

The Telegraph might be correct and others might be wrong. If those names you've produced are correct then it shows there is no rhyme nor reason to this search, its just scattergun.

So if reports from Sharpe and Bayes are to be believed it seems again that we are all over the place. I've already raised how strange I find it that we are planning on appointing a Sporting Director AFTER the appointment of a Head Coach, as surely you would want said director to have an input into the head coach appointment if he is going to be working with him every day. It now appears the shortlist has grown rather than shrunk, and even more concerning is that it seems there is a possibility that none of those 8 will be given the job and that we might yet go on to interview people already in work. This doesn't inspire much confidence in the process. Some element of relief on my part if it is true none of those interviewed are working as this means Ferguson and Ainsworth aren't in the immediate running.

When they referred to 'big names' being interested in the job I think most would interpret that as being high profile, proven experienced quality managers I think really what this means is people who are well known in football but as players, rather than managers, e.g. Ferguson. I can't quite comprehend why he's even being mentioned tbh.