Different day, different game same old officiating. I am sorry lads and lasses but I think I have had enough of this game, our great game is ruined. I have seen enough to know now there IS a clear and present bias in this sport, it is intolerable. 4 Mins my arse. Sending off my arse, why is one team allowed to push pull hold and kick opponents yet another is not allowed any contact whatsoever. It's ###### it's rigged. Jon Stead is getting battered every game he plays he gets nothing. Ronaldo goes down with a gust of wind free kick. Saha clearly intentionally handled the ball back into the danger area ref doed not see it, ######. 93-1/2 mins into the game I make it about 1-1/2 mins after when the game should actually have ended. Yes United were the better team but that's not the point is it, referees are making decisions based on "player reputation" rather than the events that are actually unfolding in front of them and I am sick of it. Why bother playing the games anymore, why not just let the FA pencil in the results they want. I am friggin ###### off. You all pish and moan about Souness going on about the refs and lady luck well wake up people it's because he has a bloody good point. I am going for a lie down. Mugged again by the man in the middle, sick of it and it needs fixed. And another thing while I am at it, I am sick of the bloody commentators gushing supelatives about these "top" teams. An innocuous handball by Saha they say, no way he menat to do that they say. Shove it up your bottom I say, he bloody passed it back with his hand, he mean to do it. This sport, if thats what you can call it, is starting to take the shape of the WWF.

Where's Gally, Pedersen is totally ieffective, I'd have Gally on for him. Another superb strike by the "useless" Paul Dickov. I don't think Mr A. Cole could have put away either of those goals that Dickov has scored. Scrappy disjointed, Stead looks quality, Emerton should be pressing that young Specre more when he gets up against him, scoreline will do me though. Going to be a long second 45.

Yup three games in and he has not scored yet. I AM surprised the fans have not turned on him yet, Souness and his wasting of money and all that. In response to your comment, if we have to worry about Stead because of who he is playing with then we have a problem. The idea is that Stead will score goals or make goals regardless of who he is playing with, just like all top strikers do, or must. Jon Stead has to make it at this level because Jon Stead has the heart, desire and talent to do so, not because he is playing alongside some has been. Naive view, very niave, in my opinion that is, or are you just having another dig for letting lazy blue boots go. From what I have seen so far he has been there or there abouts several times this season already, things have just not quite fell for him, we must do nothing but offer encourage him he's a glimmer of hope.

I can confirm that Gamst Pedersen WILL get his debut against ManU, meaning he will play part in the game! I'm going to watch on tv, but for all of you that are going to the game, shout PEEEDERSEN PEEEDERSEN if we get a free-kick just outside the 18y box.. (Please listen to Krislu this time... ) Krislu, you have just hexed that. Don't you know Souness reads this board for his tactics and line ups. He reads what the fans want and does the opposite.

Didn't I tell you all we would sign this fella many many moons ago, right after the DePedro signing I told you we would still be signing this bloke, jeez no repsect these young uns nowadays

You mean like you said Jon Stead would be. Tosser, you string together a win and a few draws and you clarrots come out like cockroaches, I liked the quiet on here at the back end of last season when you lot buggared off cos you was petrified you were going back down. It's a long season Samantha, we will see where you are in a while. The fact of the matter that actually irks you is we had the money to spend where as you...., well, " Get your bricks here, come buy your clarrot bricks here" Heh Heh Heh.

At THIS club with these fans, no chance. If the lad has not scored three by halftime in his first game the fans will be on him, with harmonious moans of Souness out 'cause he's wasted more money on a dud. If he scores three, lays up another two and clears one off the line there will be somebody moaning about, yeah but he gave away a throw in. Mark my words unless the lad is a bonafide star he ain't got a chance of making it with some of these moaners. IF it doesn't work out and MG Pedersen does a Per Pedersen no right minded person will blame Souness for buying a dud. In this case, unlike a lot of the other Souey signings, we've bought a young star with potential. Not every promising talent blossoms into a top player - that's a fact of life. I applaud the club for going for someone on the way up, rather than on the slide. No offense meant Rover6 but I think you are being a bit naive. Right now there are folks sticking daggers in Soueys back for anything. I am hoping he will work out but I get the feeling the anti Souness brigade already have their critical heads on for this one.

At THIS club with these fans, no chance. If the lad has not scored three by halftime in his first game the fans will be on him, with harmonious moans of Souness out 'cause he's wasted more money on a dud. If he scores three, lays up another two and clears one off the line there will be somebody moaning about, yeah but he gave away a throw in. Mark my words unless the lad is a bonafide star he ain't got a chance of making it with some of these moaners.

Well I asked who and got some interesting answers. Point is there are no shoe ins. Most of the names offered are either simply not going to be interested or are nominees based on emotion, Shearer come off it, Hughes a gamble. Strachan good choice based on the efforts at the saints but let's not forget this is the same Strachan that got Coventry relegated and set about their demise as a whole. For me it's stick with Souness but find him a coach who can help him and have JW have a word in his ear to tell him not to be so pig headed, to listen to the coach. Roll on the end of September things will pick up. Not sure what this love affair is with Allardyce lately, if Souness had given the return big Sam has I am sure no one here would be happy. When we were doing well they were ###### they had one good season, I don't see them repeating that. As for the win at Southampton I see Bolton won it with a penalty.

Tonight's team selection was quite good...but anyone, and I literally mean anyone, in the Premiership and probably Division One would have picked better starting line-ups than the ones we played for the first few games. I like the way Nigel Worthington has Norwich playing, they have played Man Utd and Newcastle in the last two games and they played good football with attacking wide men...not necessarily wingers, but attacking nonetheless. They drew with Newcastle tonight and were unlucky not to get a point from Man Utd as well. Peter Taylor is another that I would be happy with, he has a very good record apart from one dodgy season with Leicester, he likes his teams to have good balance though and he gets them playing a good style of football. He took Hull up from Division Three last season and would surely jump at the chance to come back to the Premiership. Iain Dowie would also be another very good choice, I like what he's doing at Palace and I'm always very impressed with the way he talks about the game, he could be the right sort of man for us. If the weird team selections and negative tactics continue though I would take anyone instead of Souey... Good nods all of them LeChuck, I particularly like Worthington. I don't like Taylor, he was a disaster in the Prem. Of the others I revert back to my original question, why on earth would Dowie or Worthington want to leave their clubs for ours. I just can't see why, especially Norwich's boss who I think well do OK this season and entertain in the process.

A post on the Arsenal thread says Pedersen is not coming.

If thats the case than I rather see Souness leave, I've had more than enough with good players leaving the club because they dont get along with Graeme! Remind me again who those GOOD players were. Dunn Duff Cole Todd - not a star but a hell of alot better than Johansson Duff was SOLD not because he did not get along with Souness, Cole and Dunn the jury is very much out on those two my friend. In my opinion Souness was right to ride their arses 100%. Todd? solid last year sort of but if you are told by the boss you are on the pine then you are on the pine, not Souness' fault he can't handle it. Like I asked you who are the GOOD players.

I'm glad I don't work for you, if all Prem managers were judged on their results against Arsenal, Man U and Newcastle there would be a constant stream of managers in and out of this league.

Now, Ok you've sold me on it, SOUNESS OUT, yep loser, let's get shut. Now that's off me chest who are we replacing him with. What GOOD manager wants to come here? No money, poor support and according to many of you @#/? players to start with. Who who who I ask who. I'll make a statement right now if Souness was sacked tomorrow most of you lot would not give the "new" manager half a dozen games and you would be after him being sacked too if he lost a few. After the end of September things will start to look up, not until then so be patient and be prepared for a rough ride for a while.

If thats the case than I rather see Souness leave, I've had more than enough with good players leaving the club because they dont get along with Graeme! Remind me again who those GOOD players were.

If thats the case than I rather see Souness leave, I've had more than enough with good players leaving the club because they dont get along with Graeme! If you remember last season when asked about Stead vs Gally he said something about Gally perhaps having a big head on his shoulders, or words to that effect. It is interesting that Gally has not featured much since that time. Obviously something has happened cos Gally has become almost a forgotten man, he can be so good when he comes on too.

At what point in the game was the penalty shout? I am not really expecting anymore points on the board until after the Newcastle game so we have two more defeats on the trot to come.

That was a crafty little swipe American, good one.

Our Graeme's revolutionary 1-8-1 formation with the lone striker, being a midfield player, dropping back to midfield when needed to make us harder to beat.

Just a hop skip and a jump over to White Hart Lane then.

That's us out of it then.

Thanks for that Alan, I needed cheering up, funny, very funny.

Sensible post Rev. It is something I have mentioned before, a sort of "I'll show you Souness" from the refs. It is the only explanation I can offer outside of my consiracy theory as to why we seem to consistantly get a raw deal from officials. I for one, most likely the only one, have no problem with Souness speaking his mind and showing his displeasure. After all we all go on about much the same things on here. My only difference in opinion Rev is that the tone was set much earlier than you suggest. The well bad tackle on Gray that went unpunished was a clear indicator of how the game was going to go. Gray could easily have been injured, it was a clear foul, possibly warranted a booking but D'Urso chose to look the other way, that is when I realised we would be up against it. Well a couple of fair spankings coming up, we will all have to suck it up for a few weeks and then hopefully we can start to string somethings together. My only real criticism of, and real frustration with, Souness is his insistance on playing players out of their best positions. Clearly a player is up against it when being forced into an unfamiliar role. Let's play our best eleven players in their preferred positions and see how we go, play to our strengths whenever possible.

Oh thats right, blame it all on Rovers. It looks pretty clear to me that Tromsko know other teams are interested and are holding out for the highest bidder. You are all too quick to spend our money, all you CM players. No doubt one poor game from that Pedersen fella and you all would be screaming we paid too much. Why should we be held to ransom to pay over the odds, we all know he's unproven and therefore something of a gamble. Your wish to sign someone, anyone apparently, shows through quite clearly.

I',m going to hide under the covers and I am not coming out until it's all over.