Tomphil2

That's because they are bitter and have reason to be, it's not rocket science. Some day the penny will finally drop who the real snakes are.

At the end of the day he's too honest and stuck in his ways for his own good, hard to not respect him but it's also frustrating beyond the pale at times. We are used to so much bullshit at this club and football in general it's often hard to fathom the validity of honesty when it makes an appearance. Mowbray blew some decent wage budgets here and was no doubt happy with the plod but his bosses were the ones who were responsible for that it's ultimately their lack of vision and ambition that creates the situation.

3 million and a sell on my backside they were offering 1.2 million a week or so ago. Yes i think he wanted out because he's wanted a better contract for a while and no way here were they giving him 4 years on the same of better money. Eustace has known the mess behind the scenes here and he tried to sort it but was fobbed off so it's a bit daft trying to blame him for everything it's this club sheer incompetence that causes it all. Maybe on purpose, maybe not. Anyway i'm sure the couple of million in real life terms this deal will net will come in handy, good luck to Trav i'm sure he'll have a decent career at Derby......for as long as Eustace is around.

The transition to a cheaper squad has suddenly maybe become a revolution. I'd say someone somewhere has been rattled and let the brakes off a bit but we'll see by the end of the window. Agents payments in the next set of accounts will be eye watering.

And the resale value. It'll be stat driven they'll feed an AI tool a player and then ask it what he will be worth after 50/100 English Championship appearances etc. That's what will be getting Suhail and the V's excited.

I think out of all the leavers he's probably the most likely to be happy to sit it out till summer i doubt he's stamping his feet to go to Watford because they are unlikely to be offering 3 years at double bubble. Of course that doesn't mean he won't be pushed out and branded a snake and a refusenik if Watford offer a fee.

All dayer more like...

Better than some of the slapped arse entitled faces of some of the loans shunted here that's for sure.

The initial fees spent probably stack up to the David Raya add on money which will count as something of a bonus on the income sheet. The rest of the sales before this summer were always marked for running costs.

Miller will probably end up covering Hyams position if they shunt him off to Watford at the last min.

I think the aim with be to squeeze enough back to pay off his contract if they aren't making an actual offer. This transfer seems to be one engineered by agents in order to find him something rather than an interested party making a good offer for a contracted player.

What they don't get rid of now they'll sell in the Jan window i think that's nailed on.

Did all those other clubs drop out of the Baradji chase when they got wind he had a dodgy foot ? Leaving Rovers the only ones prepared to risk it.

Sorry but that holds no weight at all in regards to those other clubs bar Blackpool who had live targets right on their doorstep who they could directly impact. In any case it was the other fella who was the real end of the Oystons not the fans although they no doubt helped. When have Burnley or Preston got rid of horrendous or dodgy owners ? They haven't they've both been relatively well owned over the past 20/30 years the proof of the pudding is only there when you eat it. People say protests etc have no impact but if we look back to the height of it Kean/Anderson & co then Shagnew where rooted out of the club after constant pressure on the ownership after the sent Shebby. Eventually he to was pulled out and we entered the Waggot era which was largely stable so everyone plodded along. Once the nonsense started again and the fans groups revved up again the heat focused on him he was pretty quickly gone. So i disagree protests don't have any impact at all it's just because of the unique way this ownership is shielded by thousands of miles and cultural differences it'll take something monumental to get rid. And no amount of Bolton/Burnley/Preston would be any different in our shoes you just might get a few more arrests on matchday.

Yep big business mostly use debt to leverage and if you have plenty fixed assets to secure it against and good liquidity then away you go. Their only problem is when it's nearing tipping point and the lenders say woa you need to reel this in a bit and i think we reached that point whilst Mowbray was still here and before any court case began to bite. Also the fact that the parent company still has a massive turnover but profits and market value have much reduced post pandemic i presume. Lenders won't be keen on seeing 10 million go to the club and ten million be held for the govt every 6 months and neither will the V's finance dept. I can fully understand that to be fair although it doesn't help our cause and at any point one of them could stick a personal ten million in but they don't operate like that.

They seem to be intent on clearing out everyone signed or promoted from the academy under Waggots tenure as CEO. Maybe coincidence but maybe not, new chapter being the recent buzzword.

If Buckleys agent gets him a big wage contract in Saudi and gets Rovers a million quid i hope they buy him a Bentley ! Because he's pulled off the deal of the year there.

He could play a bit Ronnie but he was tiny and if i recall correct a centre mid ? I remember an older guy we knew at the time who was a staunch PNE fan said they called him the weeble, easy to knock over but bounced straight back every time.

He's got significant physical disadvantages compared to a lot of others, short legs, stocky build so i'd say the fact he has carved the career he has so far is a big credit to not only his effort but the ability he does actually posses. He's like a modern day wide attacking Ronnie Hildersley, if you remember him.

A possible take on it is they were told about 10% of previous sales is available for initial fees to re-invest in players hence Gestede's comments the budget is set regardless of further sales. Another angle is now Waggot has gone and Suhail is under scrutiny they are actually intent on spending all that budget. Something the other two i believe were reluctant to do in the past and always liked to keep some in the pot, presumably to impress the owners. Also maybe allow for a bit of movement in Jan loan wise or change of coach etc. To be fair Vs track record of backing new managers and coaches in the first proper window stands up to scrutiny, i think. It's what usually happens after that causes the issues.

One of them is rumoured to be the subject of interest and from what i've seen of Derby fans reaction they'd drive him there. Pears might be seen as an upgrade to them, they seem to think Travis is Tugay they're a pretty desperate bunch at the min.

Buckley has coasted through his time here and will continue coasting wherever he ends up once he's got the ink dry on a new contract. Looks like another of those just happy to play football for money and not bothered about anything else.

The fact he's even at a club like that starting games in La Lige kind of suggests he was never as crap as his constant knockers on here like to make out. Frustrating yes, crap ..no.

Can only assume that some members of the Ewood Park jury were wrong. When is he disappearing without trace Nyambe style then ?

Eustace is obviously a good man manager who likes to keep it simple and drill the basics into his players and probably doesn't ask too much of them. They'll love that.