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Farke had a decent sporting director who had a hand in the signings and some exceptional young talent already at the club, you would have to imagine that Norwich have a superior scouting network to us with our owners being the jokers that they are.

Because Mowbray is no longer flavour of the month and the taps are off or due to ffp we cant spend. I think he will be gone but i think up until losing it last season the owners were backing him

He deserved his deal maybe but he should have been potted long ago.If the height of your ambition is to have a manager who seemingly thinks our limit is mid table championship then fair play.Iv never come across a bigger ego, he is wrong about nothing. Him deserving his deal doesnt mean he should then have a say who should be ceo which he clearly did have a say in

Have you had your eyes shut the last 11 years? Can you put your hand on your heart and say certain managers throughout that time havent had an unhealthy amount of power at the club? Its just coincidence that Waggott happened to be familiar with Mowbray ,that Park familiar with Mowbray, that he manages to get a 4 year deal for a keeper another championship club deemed not good enough yet everyone else seemingly only gets a 2 year deal.That they had been our owners how many years previous and no talk of a sale of the training ground for housing yet it comes along with Mowbray and Waggott in place when it happened at their previous club. What are these meetings in india about?He has to go all the way there just for them to give him a number?

He didnt come out and directly say he wanted it shutting but He didnt directly say he wanted the academy shutting, he alluded to the fact through the media that it might be more benefial us picking up lads released from prem academys at a later age so the money could be put toward the first team. If he had his way the academy wouldnt be as it is now.

The owners are the main problem it doesnt mean the manager isnt a problem aswell. He more or less said today that the best we can hope for under him is mid table.Unless he gets 100 million to spend ffs. The list of managers you gave above are all better managers than Mowbray. I just want a manager with a little ambition and doesnt talk us down constantly.

Wharton, Ayala, Pickering, Dack and Gallagher out though. Take 5 of similar importance from other teams in the division and they would have poor benches too

Its on sky sports football tonight

Its the featured game on sky football tonight so not sure if rovers tv have it?

He did look very good at that time,injuries seem to have stalled his progression

He didnt play for Charlton? Bielik is who you will be talking about, ex Arsenal

Yes but they employ and pay good money to people to run the club on their behalf.Do you think abramovich or any other billionaire owner with a large buisness portfolio is personally looking over chelseas books or is he trusting the people he employs to make sure everything is in order? I would agree that the owners are to blame in the sense they employ incompetent people and leave them in situ but with the money put in i just dont think we can lay all the blame at their door here.Im not saying its been promotion money but the money put in should have us in a lot better position. My opinion is we are a small part of the buisness, we recieve minimal interest from them, they work out a budget with the manager,Ceo and finance people.They are as absent as you can get and from the outside looking in at times throughout their reign people on the ground have taken advantage of that fact.And that isnt me taking blame away from them as i am in 100% agreement they are the overall problem

Many times througout his reign you will find quotes from Mowbray about going to the owners and asking for a bit of help to bring a player in.

They dont care about us enough to be worried too much about that. At the end of the day the accounts show the injection of cash was needed for us to be ffp compliant

I dont trust them either and i want them out without question. But imo owning us is not about making money off the club for them.Look at the amount they put into the club,covering losses after losses( which i know is their own doing but still it only adds to my belief they aint in this to make money out of the club).Nothing drastic has ever been done throughout their reign to drive income into the club.They continue to put money in for transgers(when allowed).They only sell players when practically forced too. At the end of the day i get peoples suspicions but what has actually changed.If they wanted to sell the STC at any point they could do.Setting up this company and putting this money in doesnt make using the STC for housing any easier or any harder

Give a valid reason why they had to do it this way if its about them making some money. 1 valid reason? They own the club and they could sell the STC at anytime. They did not have to set up another company and pay 16.6 million into the club.

The owners could have done what they wanted with the STC regardless of them selling it to their own company

Im not trying to see positives. Everything points towards it being done for FFP yours is just a theory that it is some underhand way of making money backed up with no evidence.Despite the fact in their whole time here there is nothing to suggest here for a quick buck.141 million. They have spent money that is a fact wether you like it or not. That is all im stating not trying to see positives you condacending fool i want them out as much as anyone!

Another thing im told Mowbray doesnt tell lies well in an interview he spoke of how they had to slow the owners down with their plans and there spending added to the fact he acts in complete shock over the wage demands of players everytime a window comes around i dont think its beyond the realms of possibiliy this wage ceiling was recommended to them. We did use to pay Rhodes 35k a week and many others in excess of our current wage ceiling. If we didnt have to have such a big squad and have to make 2 or 3 changes to the team on a weekly basis perhaps we could play with a smaller squad,focused on more qualiy within it

Out of interest would you take losing the training ground to get rid of Venkys if that was the plan? To sell the club and then sell on the training ground? There has been no suggestion whatsoever that they are looking to sell the club unfortunately

He brought 12 players in though Bigdogg so i find it hard to fathom that they wouldnt have let him spend a little bit. It would have been better getting something for them rather than nothing especially with the position we find ourselves in. Its foward planning and considering the amount of times he mentions his plans for the club then as an experienced football man i would expect him to be looking longer term rather than pinning his hopes on the delusions he had of us being a top six squad last season.We did not need to bring 12 players in to finish 15th, half of thrm contributed nothing. I agree nearly every aspect of the club is sub standard and by no means am i laying all the blame at Mowbrays door here. Our owners are the major problem here i am not disputing that but at the sametime i understand they are not football people and they pay the people on the ground to run the club on their behalf.With the money they have provided and the money they pay these people they should be getting more for what they are putting in. For example might be a small thing to you but i live on the street beside the ground ,walk past it everyday and it was utter disgrace the state of it,Rubbish weeds all over the place etc. To the owners be a trivial matter so im expected to believe our 300k a year ceo has to contact the owners for permission and the money to do something about it. The owners agree a budget the club work off that budget so i believe the people on the ground are to blame aswell for the situation we are in including Mowbray The most suspicious thing is why they have never just forked out the money for a top ceo and a decent manager

Bevause you make statement like the manager has been hamstrung by budgets when up until this summer he clearly hasnt! You are right tho no point us going round in circles

Not if we start being sensible and become a trading club. We are likely to see a decent amount for Brererton. They will spend again when allowed imo, some will be spent in the summer but im hoping there will be a proper plan this time but i wont hold my breath on that score

Clearly we did leave it too late.If they werent for signing new deals then they should have been sold to get the maximum value we could, like every other club does. I dont think Lenihen has progressed like i thought he would, i think he is pretty poor as individual. No arguing with the fact we get better results with him in the team but thats aided by the fact the alternatives were so poor. Id need to see some more of Wharton but from what iv seen he looks liks he will be a better defender than Lenihen.

How much did birmingham get for Bellingham?More than we got for Armstrong