Strange poll and unintentionally unhelpful as it offers a confused message and one that can be spun by the club as support from fans. We have no idea what Venkys will do. They could just as easily sack him and Waggott as give them both new contracts and give the green light to selling Brockhall to raise funds. The fundamental question on a fansite is “does the manager have the support of the fans?”. It really is that simple. Meanwhile... “Look at this independent poll, Madame, even the fans will be surprised if you were to sack Tony at this stage”. The only way that Tony could hypothetically stay is if there was a 100% turnover of the playing staff and none of the outgoing players speak to the incoming ones. He has run out of ideas, is being tactically and motivationally out though by other Championship managers and these players know it. It will take 12-18 months before the incoming players work it out so “the journey” would be back on - and the game counter would be reset, again.

The sooner we can get two wins the better. Then the search for a new manager should begin in earnest.

In the context of this thread...? https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2021/april/rovers-named-north-west-community-club-of-the-year/?fbclid=IwAR2my3fOlC1BxJ0xMpJdOPmgv8345yAAjD4E3Oqr7A-idpUpyW2c5WUmd00

I bet he is miles happier. Probably too good for L1 but not quite Championship level (yet) but I expect he’s delighted to be away from a manager who doesn’t rate him.

At this point Rich Sharpe is simply a cheerleader for Rovers. As long as Mowbray wears the badge he’s in. As soon as he leaves it will be a different story. You expect this from fans, the complete disregard for facts in favour of self-delusion. You don’t expect it from someone whose job it is to “get to the facts”. The exact reason journalists sign up in the first place. Truth and holding people to account. Then they get a job and a mortgage and they “toe the line”. I blame the editor more than Sharpe but what a way to sell out to ‘the man’. Noblesse oblige is dead.

All that does is provide another way of demonstrating how Mowbray has us performing below expectations. Maybe they could do a piece about where in the league we would be sat with a decent manager?

There really is only one stat that matters for football managers. Anything else is just an excuse. At least at clubs where football is the raison d’être.

I can’t imagine anything more depressing than watching Mowbray football, losing, and thinking “this is as good as it gets”.

Can’t work out of the are being controversial for click bait, if they are planted by the club, or if they are just being deliberately obtuse.

More time? I know he’s stealing a living and he’s committing crimes against football but he just needs sacking not imprisonment!

Good spot. I didn’t even question it in those predictors. Just shows you can’t trust anyone! Looks like Rotherham playing Coventry may have secured our safety (assuming we don’t lose every game).

Clever that. And funny. You won’t be so glib though when Armstrong leaves and Rovers never score another goal ever again. What, that’s not what you said? Oh.

Their points deduction has already been applied.

I’ve not been impressed with most players that Mowbray has been in charge of this season.

No. It’s a great point but I guess as I’ve used three points it’s a fairer comparison in terms of wins and draws.

You are calling Rothwell, Holtby and Dolan shoddy? That’s a really strange way to make your point. Presumably Elliott is also shoddy? Isn’t it more likely that there is a common denominator to this shoddiness? This squad has massively under achieved through poor man-management, coaching and tactics. This same team was bartering folk at the start of the season before all of the usual tinkering.

Happy is the wrong word. We have to cash in while his stock is high. It won’t be this high again and he is replaceable. Would I trust Mowbray to replace him? No but we cannot have another season like the second half of this one. Something will need to force his hand to change. Such a mess.

He’s a striker in a side who are staring relegation in the face despite his goal tally. I’m afraid that’s called sub-optimisation. A healthy team would have more than one player being played to their strengths. The move of Armstrong to the middle meant that Dack now also needed to be found a new job, and that’s after Brereton and Gallagher had to be found new roles which made both of them less effective. Armstrong’s goals may have just about kept the side from falling into real relegation trouble when the squad should have been looking up at the play-offs. Talk about papering over the cracks. It’s certainly not something I’ll be pleased about or grateful for. In an ironic twist, it’ll probably be the sale of Armstrong that will be used to pay up Mowbray’s last 12 months and fund the wages of his replacement!

I can only speak for myself but that’s because I see his ‘promotion’ to CF as being a direct cause of our lack of shape, team ethic, performances and results. It’s also sorry excuse for Mowbray’s failure to recruit well and subsequent failure to develop the two strikers that he did buy. The fact it is the match thread is just an organic thing rather than a deliberate attempt to undermine his two goals yesterday.

I’d prefer he was a team player. Maybe if just 10% of those other 140 one-eyed shots that didn’t result in a goal had been assists or at least looked up for an option. He just keeps his head down and shoots. Looking at the stats... Armstrong’s goals making a difference: v QPR turned a draw into a win +2 v Barnsley draw to win +2 v Millwall draw to win +2 v Rotherham draw to win +2 v Luton draw to win +2 v Cardiff defeat to draw +1 v Forest missed penalty cost us a point -1 Only one of those matches (Luton) was a 1-0 win which means a team mate also scored. Total +10 Points with Armstrong’s goals disallowed: v Wycombe we still won +3 v Derby +3 v Coventry +3 v Preston +3 v Birmingham +3 Total +15 Of course these stats are as oversimplified as the argument that we have been totally reliant on his goals but it goes to show that we are not devoid of hope without Armstrong’s goals. He scores when the team is playing well and when the team is playing well we still score without him, and none of his penalties have been decisive - except one of the three (in the league) he missed. We are devoid of hope because our manager cannot get the best out of any of his players but his pet project. A different striker may even have been a better asset to the team all round, as other players would not have been moved around and dropped to the detriment of the team and their own development. Although I accept this would have needed a different manager. Armstrong has been good for Armstrong (and to a lesser extent Mowbray). He direct influence on our league position assumes that nobody else could have scored decisive goals.

Surprisingly not. Although these were in different times, since 1950... Opening 16 games of 1951/52 saw 8 points 18/08/51-10/11/51 - that season also saw a 10 game run of 9 wins and 1 draw - Jackie Bestall survived Final 15 games on 1965/66 saw 6 points 19/02/66-09/05/66 - 2 wins and 13 defeats (there were also 9 points from the first 15 games) - Jack Marshall survived Final 15 games of 1968/69 saw 8 points 01/03/69-30/04/69 - Eddie Quigley survived 1978/79 saw a run of 5 points from 16 games 11/11/78-24/03/79 - John Pickering lasted until 15/05/79 1985/86 saw us take 8 points from 15 games 18/01/86-15/04/86 - Bobby Saxton survived 1986/87 - 7 points from 15 games (8 from 16) 13/09/86-21/12/86 (26/12/86) - Bobby Saxton sacked 30/12/86 So worst record in 35 years, for sure, but not “ever”. More than happy to be corrected if I’ve cocked anything up! ( @Parsonblue )

The ones who use hashtags like “be kind” are usually the least tolerant and most hateful people in the world when they happen across someone they don’t agree with.

I get that you are paraphrasing but what a ridiculous notion these people have, that the earlier you notice something is getting worse and needs fixing the nastier a person you are - and the less of a “real fan” you are. Putting it politely, the line is clearly different for different people. Those who went early are the ones who believed promotion (or at least play-offs) was the target. Those who have joined later seem to think that the target is avoiding relegation. In any case, it’s another failure which will need another bail out from Venkys and another step closer to administration.

I will be astonished (and delighted) if we sell him to a Champions League side. Or are you just talking about Everton? I was trying to keep it civil but frankly your suggestion that only Armstrong can score goals is what’s nonsense.

I was a fan, he was a lot more clinical than Armstrong and consistently took his chances. There are some similarities between them but we didn’t carry Rhodes as much as have carried Armstrong in terms of losses of form. Rhodes papered over the cracks in Bowyer’s Rovers. He was a limited player who had a knack for finding the net but he was a square peg in a square hole. At least Bowyer, with a few exceptions, did try to play the rest of his team in the right place (although Cairney on the wing and King on the bench were big mistakes). Armstrong’s strength was/is as a wide man with an eye for goal, who should have been lining up chances for others. Duff was 10 times the player Armstrong will ever be but wasn’t converted to a centre forward. On the face of it, Dack’s injury appears to have panicked Mowbray and he moved Armstrong inside. That in itself was damning of, but also terminally damaging to, Gallagher and Brereton. In doing this he put his faith entirely in Armstrong to the exclusion of all others.