matt83

Another thing that seems to be creeping in. We can’t fall into the trap of judging managers against Steve Kean. Because as soon as we get a failing manager if apply the logic well he’s better than Kean we will never sack a manager ever again. Everybody we will have is better than Kean. A decade later Kean still wins if the spectre of merely not having him is enough and will prevent the club from progressing.

This also can be traced back to our regal owners. As a direct result of their disinterest they have effectively allowed the manager to appoint his boss. I’m sure there was no malice or Machiavellian plan on behalf of Mowbray to create an environment where he is bulletproof. But through Venkys incompetence this is what has happened. I don’t doubt initially there was noble intentions but now from Mowbray to swag I firmly believe the priority is for them all just do enough to keep a very passive fan base off their backs and to keep their own bank balances healthy. To a man self preservationists on a gravy train.

Bit out of the blue with that. Nutty rover is the most perfectly chosen name

At the end of the day this is a message board and everyone is entitled to their opinions. But I think this has been quite enlightening in terms of seeing both sides of the argument. Admittedly a tiny tiny sample but it does seem that the ones most fervent about removing Mowbray are purely driven by results at any cost. And those who want him to stay prioritise style over substance. To me fat Sam -esque hoof ball in the prem seems rather more appealing than tippy tappy football in the championship. But hey ho Perhaps controversially in the eyes of some I don’t actually think the football under Mowbray is very good at all other than in very infrequent bursts. But that’s another issue.

Only if we were languishing in mid table. If we played like Stoke every week and were top I can’t see many grumbling.

I’m hope you lads think being sincere here. I genuinely respect alternative view points even if I disagree with them. But I’ve often wondered what the pro Mowbray fans are seeing that I’m not. So I appreciate the replies or posts in as much as some of the more pro Mowbray advocates I think I finally understand what it is. Am I right in saying it’s not about results it’s about style. So result oriented fans are tearing their hair out at stagnation or regression. And performance orientated fans aren’t overly concerned with positions so long as they’re entertained.

If Stoke playing their way and get promoted and we finish 10th playing our way would you feel differently?

As a general comment I think we need less but better quality possession and fewer but better quality shots. Not particularly today to be fair but possession going backwards and sideways is useless and if my mum could stop the vast majority of shots why bother.

I don’t think that he doesn’t get it. I just ding think he’s got the ability to do anything about it. The evidence of this isn’t what we’re seeing it’s a pattern of his entire career

This is also my thinking. However, I do wonder what the managers targets are if it’s just some vague guff about being in contention for the play offs pretty much every team from 14th upwards will be able to make some claim to being in touching distance. In which case we’ll be stuck in this infinite loop of disappointment

Nothing has really changed tonight. It’s just more of the same. At the point of 9 defeats from 11 2 years ago I’d have sacked him and there’s no point thats made me think that would have been a mistake. Perhaps briefly after the most recent transfer window then I regained my senses.

Stoke aren’t easy on the eye that’s for sure but one way of looking at it is take the lead then put in a defensive shift. Take all 3 points. Perhaps if we could defend like Stoke we’d be 6th and not 11th.

100% I do. But my concerns are at the other end.

Dominating the largely irrelevant stats. Post match press conference writes itself.

If he was a a free transfer or academy graduate I’d be astonished if he got as much football as he does.

As you know we’re very flexible with what stats matter. I’d wager we’ll be back to possession.

Same old rovers. Anyone surprised. Thought not.

The messiah Moggadon has decreed that Rovers are punching above our weight. So the disciples need to go I nto all the world and proclaim the gospel and commandments according to Tonebola: I am the manager thy God No other managers before me Thou shall not make graven images or likenesses (just the one true manager immortalised in a flag paid for by the club in front of the JW) Thou shalt not take TONY’s name in vain Remember possession is king Honour thy Venkys Thou shalt make excuses to hide ones own failings Thou shalt be forgiven for sins with Mrs M’s lemon drizzle cake Thou shalt not expect or even hope for better Thou shalt not covet Middlesbrough’s or West Brom’s manager

I can’t speak for everyone who wants Mowbray out but speaking from a personal point of view someone who has watched rovers regularly home and away for the last 30+ years. Merely someone who can see we have at best stagnated and in my opinion now regressing under Mowbray. Someone who is fed up by over promising and underdelivering of a manager now in self preservation mode purely lining his own pockets whilst conning some fans with talk of play offs and slow builds. But if it makes you happy to assume everyone who can see we’re nothing more than mid table plodders under Mowbray are just day trippers out for the odd game then so be it. But if we’re making wild baseless assumptions I will also assume you lot who want Mowbray to stay are the same lot who wanted Kean to stay.

I’d still sack Mowbray after that

Robbed them. Daylight robbery.

Mowbray will be relieved Rotherham took some time out of the game with that substitution.

Mowbray is one lucky bastard. Did not deserve that.

If Mowbray says anything to do with “possession”, “slow build”, “injuries” or “we go again”. I’m finished with them until the club shows ambition again.